hagler vs rjj at middle

**DLT** · 06-14-2006, 02:03 AM

Originally posted by shortright

15 rounds, speed vs determination

It depeneds on if you definatly mean, just when Jones was at 160. When he was at 160 he was still too young, and green to deal with Hagler. He struggled with a green Hopkins, so I know Hagler with a similar style wouldve beat him fairly easy. Jones was only 24 at the time and not ready for Hagler.

Now, he stayed at 168 until he was nearly 28 and he was much better by then. If he still couldve made 160 for one fight then I wouldve gave him a very good chance against Hagler. Jones at that time was at or near his prime and was much better then I think people even remember.

He was so slender then and so quick. I still have the Sosa fight on tape and that Jones wouldve gave anyone problems in any era. Hagler is a beast but I think Jones outboxes him to a clear unanimous decision. Hagler didnt have a superior defense and mostly tried to walk through you. Jones hands and overall body was too quick for that and he would be landing alot of punches on Hagler. It wouldve been a great fight but I would go with Jones.

Ill probally be the only one who picks him because people only remember the old Jones or even the Jones before Tarver who was still good but he wasnt nothing compared to the Jones at 27. That dude was like lighting, and his body was very sharp and phsyical. I wouldve loved to see that Jones fight the Hopkins that beat Keith Holmes. That wouldve been a all time great fight

**GunStar** · 06-14-2006, 02:06 AM

Hagler wins by brutal KO.

**�ringer** · 06-14-2006, 02:08 AM

Hagler's power and determination would wear Jones out. He would've went to the body early with a lot of powerful left hooks and round by round broke down Jones' stamina. Jones couldn't hurt Hagler so he'd have to try to outbox him, which is what Tommy Hearns gameplan was and look what happened to him.

Hagler would win by TKO.

**DLT** · 06-14-2006, 02:12 AM

Again, Jones at 160 when he was 24, yes but Jones at 168 when he was nearing 28? No. I wish you guys would go back and watch and old tape of this guy because he was a beast. He was just like Sugar Ray Leonard and we all know he gave Hagler problems. Dude's speed was unmatched and people forget that Roy carried alot of power at those weights. He was stopping everyone back then and alot of them early. He was nasty and no body gives him a brutal KO back then.

I look at Calzaghe now and dude is a great fighter but he was nothing compared to Jones back then. Jones could do everything Calzaghe can except for 10x better and the power wasnt even close. Someone should download some of his fights back then

**�ringer** · 06-14-2006, 02:23 AM

Originally posted by DLT

Again, Jones at 160 when he was 24, yes but Jones at 168 when he was nearing 28? No. I wish you guys would go back and watch and old tape of this guy because he was a beast. He was just like Sugar Ray Leonard and we all know he gave Hagler problems. Dude's speed was unmatched and people forget that Roy carried alot of power at those weights. He was nasty and no body gives him a brutal KO back then

"Sugar" Ray Leonard didn't give Hagler problems. Why the hell do you think most of the boxing public thinks Hagler was robbed of that fight? Watch the Hagler/Leonard fight. Hagler won it. It was clearly a case of the judges giving the "bigger" more mainstream, recognizable fighter the victory.

Hagler wasn't Leonard, he never would be. He wasn't smiley and charming and charasmatic, he was a gritty fighter who got the job done. There's no way they would give Hagler the victory over Leonard, who was thought of as "the new Ali". Leonard's reputation won that fight for him.

**DLT** · 06-14-2006, 02:28 AM

Originally posted by The_Bringer

"Sugar" Ray Leonard didn't give Hagler problems. Why the hell do you think most of the boxing public thinks Hagler was robbed of that fight? Watch the Hagler/Leonard fight. Hagler won it. It was clearly a case of the judges giving the "bigger" more mainstream, recognizable fighter the victory.

Hagler wasn't Leonard, he never would be. He wasn't smiley and charming and charasmatic, he was a gritty fighter who got the job done. There's no way they would give Hagler the victory over Leonard, who was thought of as "the new Ali". Leonard's reputation won that fight for him.

You could argue that Hagler won it but Leonard still gave him problems and Roy was better then that Leonard. I just think alot of people are forgetting about Roy. Watching a 35 year old Roy at 175 is nothing like watching a prime Roy at 28, at his prime weight of 168. You are just amazed when you watch a old fight of his. He struck like lighting. The fight could go either way but I think Roy gets him because Hagler didnt use his D much and Roy's hands were so quick back then that he would be landing combos all night, and again, his hands carried alot of power back then. He was stopping guys and you could hear the pop on his punches

**GunStar** · 06-14-2006, 02:29 AM

Originally posted by DLT

Again, Jones at 160 when he was 24, yes but Jones at 168 when he was nearing 28? No. I wish you guys would go back and watch and old tape of this guy because he was a beast. He was just like Sugar Ray Leonard and we all know he gave Hagler problems. Dude's speed was unmatched and people forget that Roy carried alot of power at those weights. He was stopping everyone back then and alot of them early. He was nasty and no body gives him a brutal KO back then.

I look at Calzaghe now and dude is a great fighter but he was nothing compared to Jones back then. Jones could do everything Calzaghe can except for 10x better and the power wasnt even close. Someone should download some of his fights back then

Hagler never fought at 168, so that is pretty pointless to talk about. Hagler was not in his prime against Leonard, that was his last fight, still Jones is no Leonard. A prime Hagler would've eaten up Jones for lunch.

**onetwopunch** · 06-14-2006, 02:37 AM

Hagler by late KO, Hagler was a tank, he couldnt KO Ray Leornard cause Ray had a great chin, but Roy's chin..againts Haglers stamina and straight foward attacking style..makes for a savage late rd KO.

**shortright** · 06-14-2006, 02:50 AM

hagler was passed his prime when he fought leanord, haglers advatages vs roy are he is a southpaw that cant be hurt and will keep coming, could he land the ko shot, roy in his prime was something else fast as hell, but he was always more vunerable then thought, because wenow know he can be koed with one shot, i think halgers eventauly gets him because he's a southpaw

hagler vs rjj at middle