Comments Thread For: Mikey Garcia Discusses Belts, Lomachenko, Linares, Going To 147

[daggum]

Lipinets is one of the 2 or 3 best JWW in the world. This is a much better fight than any fight at 135 except Linares, who essentially just fought a tune up against Gesta.

Most of the posters that are criticizing Mikey for this fight celebrate when guys they like move up. It is insane to read posters giving Loma props for going up to fight Linares and then bashing Mikey for going up to fight Lipinets.

People have begun to do with Mikey what they did with Floyd-artificially lower whoever the opponent is regardless of the facts. They do with Loma what they did with Manny-elevate anyone they fight regardless of the facts.

Crap like this makes NSB a cesspool.

um facts? how is lipinets one of the top 2 or 3 in the division? hes never even beaten anyone in the top 10 and even his resume of lower level fighters is extremely weak while looking terrible in his last fight against a journeyman. hes ranked number 7 by the ring not 2-3. its obviously you who are elevating fighters regardless of facts.

[The Big Dunn]

um facts? how is lipinets one of the top 2 or 3 in the division? hes never even beaten anyone in the top 10 and even his resume of lower level fighters is extremely weak while looking terrible in his last fight against a journeyman. hes ranked number 7 by the ring not 2-3. its obviously you who are elevating fighters regardless of facts.

The TBRB board has him ranked #2 behind Mikey (Crawford champion). Cliff has him at #3 on his last NSB rankings (note: this is old rankings that need to be updated). The Ring, which is run by a promoter that doesn't promote Lipinets, has him at 7. which rankings are more credible?

You are the type of poster that makes NSB a cesspool. you arbitrarily decide a fighter looks good or his comp is weak depending what side of the argument you are on.

The truth is Mikey is going up to fight one of the 2 or 3 best JWW in the world. But because he is with Haymon now posters like you will invent some bogus reason to criticize him for it.

[daggum]

The TBRB board has him ranked #2 behind Mikey (Crawford champion). Cliff has him at #3 on NSB. The Ring, which is run by a promoter that doesn't promote Lipinets, has him at 7. which rankings are more credible?

the ring in this case. i can find at many guys more deserving of being ranked higher than him. his resume and performance have simply been pathetic. the reason he is ranked high is because he has a belt and nothing more but that means nothing in this era. mikey garcias win over broner is better than anything he has done. postol and indongo obv are more accomplished. progris, taylor, and orozco are all prospect/contenders with better resumes and have looked more impressive. troyanky is a former champ with a better resume. reilihk is a guy who most people had beating burns and barthelemy. even broner is more accomplished than him. you really think he's the 2nd best fighter in the division? based off what?

[daggum]

The TBRB board has him ranked #2 behind Mikey (Crawford champion). Cliff has him at #3 on his last NSB rankings (note: this is old rankings that need to be updated). The Ring, which is run by a promoter that doesn't promote Lipinets, has him at 7. which rankings are more credible?

You are the type of poster that makes NSB a cesspool. you arbitrarily decide a fighter looks good or his comp is weak depending what side of the argument you are on.

The truth is Mikey is going up to fight one of the 2 or 3 best JWW in the world. But because he is with Haymon now posters like you will invent some bogus reason to criticize him for it.

so lipinets has fought good comp and looked good? where and when? not really arbitrary. just look at his resume. no top 10 wins. its too much to ask to have one top 10 win! and you are the one saying people hype up pac and loma opponentts my god projection much?

he nearly lost to a journeyman last time out. the rest of his resume is crap. his best win is zapanaviga who got dominated by miguel vasquez. josh taylor just knocked out vasquez is he one of the 2-3 best too?

his resume being bad has nothing to do with haymon...well maybe it does....but you are hyping up a completely unproven guy. why? what does beating a prospect without a resume do? oh it gives mikey a belt like he said. thats the only reason he was fighting him. ok thats nice but the guy holding the belt is what matters and its an unproven guy.

[Beercules]

I have literally never heard of Lipinets before he signed to fight Garcia.


Is he fighting Linares or what?

[The Big Dunn]

so lipinets has fought good comp and looked good? where and when? not really arbitrary. just look at his resume. no top 10 wins. its too much to ask to have one top 10 win! and you are the one saying people hype up pac and loma opponentts my god projection much?

he nearly lost to a journeyman last time out. the rest of his resume is crap. his best win is zapanaviga who got dominated by miguel vasquez. josh taylor just knocked out vasquez is he one of the 2-3 best too?

his resume being bad has nothing to do with haymon...well maybe it does....but you are hyping up a completely unproven guy. why? what does beating a prospect without a resume do? oh it gives mikey a belt like he said. thats the only reason he was fighting him. ok thats nice but the guy holding the belt is what matters and its an unproven guy.

I am not hyping up anyone. I am using his rankings as they are on the TBRB board. These are universally respected. If you disagree with those, so be it.

[chrisJS]

One of the knocks on Lomachenko is that he doesn't have enough fights. Lipinets has a similar amount but nowhere near the credentials and looked very average winning the vacant belt last time. Lipinets is inferior to Linares who's actually won multiple titles and made multiple defenses beating multiple ranked fighters.

Mikey is doing a lot of cherry picking IMO. He's about to win his 4th title Broner style yet has only made 1 title defense across all the divisions. His signature Broner win was a whatever win since Broner really lost to Granados and also lost 11 out of 12 rounds to Porter too. Broner looked super weight drained too. I'll take the unification route or beating the top 2-3 guys in your division route over the win a title then bounce route.

He's a good fighter with solid skills but slow (especially of foot) and has a fairly predictable/repetitive offense. I think he's been smart matching with guys that all have a similar style coming forward with limited defense and no movement. He's not fought anyone that would be considered top 50 pound for pound and his competition has actually gotten worse than what he fought back in 2013/2014.

Mikey's good don't get me wrong but he doesn't deserve a pound for pound top 10 ranking yet. He has to either unify or beat a top guy.

[chrisJS]

the ring in this case. i can find at many guys more deserving of being ranked higher than him. his resume and performance have simply been pathetic. the reason he is ranked high is because he has a belt and nothing more but that means nothing in this era. mikey garcias win over broner is better than anything he has done. postol and indongo obv are more accomplished. progris, taylor, and orozco are all prospect/contenders with better resumes and have looked more impressive. troyanky is a former champ with a better resume. reilihk is a guy who most people had beating burns and barthelemy. even broner is more accomplished than him. you really think he's the 2nd best fighter in the division? based off what?

Yeah, I think Postol, Indongo, Taylor, Orozco, Prograis all have better accomplishments and talent than Lipinets. Ramirez too I'd add to that list.

[daggum]

I am not hyping up anyone. I am using his rankings as they are on the TBRB board. These are universally respected. If you disagree with those, so be it.

or in other words you are shutting your brain off and blindly following the rankings of your choice so you can hype up a guy. the same thing you just blasted others for doing. just tell me if you really think hes the second best fighter in the division. based on what? amazing resume? great performances?

you do know the rankings tend to rank belt holders higher than others. crawford had all the belts until recently. lipinets is the only one to pick one up since then so thats why they moved him up the rankings. if you understand the flaw in their approach you would see this is not a truly representative way of rankings fighters. lipinets is better than postol and indongo according to them. that is absurd. so they lost to the best fighter in the division so some unknown guy with no resme jumps them simply cause he hasnt lost? thats not my way of doing rankings. my way consists of using your brain!

[nycsmooth]

Many are getting carried away in the way Garcia controlled and beat Broner but Broner is not an elite at WW, neither would beat any of the top 4 Elites he's going to have problems at 147 unless he cherry-picks