Where does Roy Jones rank?

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  • bluebeam
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    #31
    Originally posted by larry mustafa
    why would Tyson be anywhere close to top 15 or 20?

    I'm not basing off of just skill set.

    I base my all time greats off of the eye test and at their highest peak were they the baddest mf around at their weight. and if I wouldnt pick many people over them at their peak weight. prime for prime.

    i wouldn't pick 5 heavyweights to beat 20 year old mike tyson. prime for prime.

    that's why he would be in my top 20.

    he was a phenom, just like floyd, just like Roy, just like ali.

    just a different kind
    Last edited by bluebeam; 02-09-2018, 07:22 PM.

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    • Joe Beamish
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      #32
      Agree, prime Tyson (still moved his head, still had Rooney) was phenomenally good.

      In a fantasy round robin of all-time heavies, he would fare as well as Ali and Louis.

      Ali always struggled against Norton and Frazier. Prime Tyson would have annihilated those two in the same night. He would have been popping Foreman with combinations and angles that would have left him helpless against that kind of speed. He would have made the Klits look like ******s.

      Johnson and Lewis are up there too, but the prime Tyson (1987-88) was a sharp blade to cut down anyone.

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      • M Bison
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        #33
        Originally posted by _Rexy_
        a hell of a lot worse than he would be if he retired 10 years ago.
        What do his past prime fights have to do with anything?
        Should we deduct Holyfield harshly because he lost to Valuev and many other guys whilst he was in his 40's?
        I don't think so, Roy Jones Jr as a guess I say he would easily be in the top 50, not sure where though.

        So many fighters to choose from though, Roys prime was something special even more so than Mike Tysons to me at least that is.

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          #34
          Originally posted by bluebeam
          I'm not basing off of just skill set.

          I base my all time greats off of the eye test and at their highest peak were they the baddest mf around at their weight. and if I wouldnt pick many people over them at their peak weight. prime for prime.

          i wouldn't pick 5 heavyweights to beat 20 year old mike tyson. prime for prime.

          that's why he would be in my top 20.

          he was a phenom, just like floyd, just like Roy, just like ali.

          just a different kind
          I agree with everything written. Green arrow homie

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          • Bjl12
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            #35
            Originally posted by bluebeam
            it's too hard to do one.

            Roy would be in it for sure tho


            Ali
            floyd
            Roy
            sweet pea
            holyfield
            Holmes
            Louis
            foreman
            Duran
            hagler
            hearns
            leonard
            Robinson
            tyson
            pacquiao
            Moore


            those 15 just popped up in my head any order
            Pacquiao...in that list XD c'mon...!

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            • Legendary Hater
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              #36
              Somewhere in the Top 100...behind Hopkins and well ahead of Calzaghe (who is outside of the 100)....

              I'd probably put him around #50, just based on his athleticism and the eye test of his prime...

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              • bluebeam
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                #37
                Originally posted by Bjl12
                Pacquiao...in that list XD c'mon...!

                his resume speak for itself. 7 divisons. i dont count 154 since he never truly fought there.

                with wins over the Mexican trifecta.

                115 to 147 makes you all time

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by bluebeam
                  his resume speak for itself. 7 divisons. i dont count 154 since he never truly fought there.

                  with wins over the Mexican trifecta.

                  115 to 147 makes you all time
                  PEDs don't factor in at all for you? The likelihood is too significant for me to ignore.

                  I've got Manny on the next rung of the ladder

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                  • bluebeam
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Bjl12
                    PEDs don't factor in at all for you? The likelihood is too significant for me to ignore.

                    I've got Manny on the next rung of the ladder

                    it's probable.

                    but unless you fail a drug test. how can i hold you accountable.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Legendary Hater
                      Somewhere in the Top 100...behind Hopkins and well ahead of Calzaghe (who is outside of the 100)....

                      I'd probably put him around #50, just based on his athleticism and the eye test of his prime...
                      I could never have him behind Hopkins.

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