Where does Gassiev Usyk winner rank on atg cruserweight status?

[Robbie Barrett]

Haye was almost 24 years old when a 40 year old cruiserweight stopped him in 5 rounds. Moreck lost 7 times and was KOed 3 times.Neither Haye nor Mormeck were as good at cruiserweight as Usyk or Gassiev. Your bias in favor of UK boxers and against Eastern European boxers is ****** and wrong.

Pacquiao lost 7 times, i guess he was **** too.

GTFOH you simpleton.

[Blue54]

all time great? this word gets thrown around too often. just call him a "top 10 cruiserweight all time." you're insulting the guys on an "ATG" list with 100+ fights and victories over hall of famers.

there's basically been no sustained greatness at CW. the "great cruiserweights" are basically one guy, evander holyfield, and he was a HW and that's the only reason most of you even remember his name.


FFS you're 200 lbs. most of those guys are well over 6' and have 75+ inches of reach. some even cut weight and balloon back up over 210 in the ring. you're a HW. you're big enough to hurt your opponents. you might need more than one big shot, but unless you're a pleb a pro boxer who is fit and weighs 200 lbs has the power to hurt you. just fight there and make the money.

some of these guys would give joshua problems. if you beat that guy, or do well enough to earn a rematch, you're set for life on money. you never have to fight again if you don't want to. i don't know if they really understand that.

I think they would be desreveing of the status but lets not forget a lot of the old fighters get overated and new fighters achievments get underrated.

[New England]

I think they would be desreveing of the status but lets not forget a lot of the old fighters get overated and new fighters achievments get underrated.

meh, that's just not true. ever read up on old fighters? you really think david f#cking haye haye and olexander usyk stack up to their accomplishments?

ray robinson had over 200 fights. harry greb had close to 300. both fought several times a month in spots.

ali fought literally everybody from two eras on either side of vietnam, when HW boxing was one of the biggest sports in the world and the biggest payday if you got to the championship level.


so yeah, you're full of **** if you think olexander usyk and david haye compare to that.


ther'es one "cruiserweight" who is an all time great, evander holyfield, and his accomplishments worth talking about in an all time great or a historic context took place at HW.

[New England]

Pacquiao lost 7 times, i guess he was **** too.

GTFOH you simpleton.

pacquiao also climbed from a malnourished 100 lb kid to beat up one of the most durable welterweights i have ever seen. surely [i f#cking hope] you see the gap in some forgotten-in-10-years cruiserweight's resume when you compare the two

[Robbie Barrett]

pacquiao also climbed from a malnourished 100 lb kid to beat up one of the most durable welterweights i have ever seen. surely [i f#cking hope] you see the gap in some forgotten-in-10-years cruiserweight's resume when you compare the two

Yo ****** his reasoning for saying Mormeck was no good is that he lost 7 times. By his reasoning Pacquiao is trash. HIS not mine.

[New England]

Yo ****** his reasoning for saying Mormeck was no good is that he lost 7 times. By his reasoning Pacquiao is trash. HIS not mine.

momeck can be trash while pacquiao is not. haye, too. they'll be completely forgotten in 20 years. ****** doe.


maybe my post was a reaction to your bias against pacquiao and siding with floyd mayweather virtually any time it is possible. maybe you understand that pacquiao was actually an all time great and that you acted like akid for 5-7 years pretending he was not?

[Irony123]

Yo ****** his reasoning for saying Mormeck was no good is that he lost 7 times. By his reasoning Pacquiao is trash. HIS not mine.

Haye being one of the best cruiserweights ever, name 3 top 5 cruiserweights he beat?

Usyks resume is already deeper than Haye's was at Cruiserweight.

[Irony123]

The winner would be #2. Neither guy would ever be better than Holyfield, but I think the winner would have to go to #2.

Holyfield wasn't really an ATG cruiserweight, he was an ATG heavyweight.

[chrisJS]

Holyfield wasn't really an ATG cruiserweight, he was an ATG heavyweight.

Of course he is. He's the GOAT at cruiser. Won all three belts from 3 separate champions including winning the title in his 12th fight against a formidable HOF fighter like Qawi. DeLeon was no joke too. Holyfield beat excellent competition and even destroyed Qawi in a re-match.

[The Big Dunn]

Of course he is. He's the GOAT at cruiser. Won all three belts from 3 separate champions including winning the title in his 12th fight against a formidable HOF fighter like Qawi. DeLeon was no joke too. Holyfield beat excellent competition and even destroyed Qawi in a re-match.

Agree with this. Ocassio was a strong win as well. Tillman was solid as well.