Comments Thread For: Crawford: I Don't Rate Lomachenko as P4P 1 or Fighter of The Year!

[j.razor]

He sucks because he's white Im sure.

Nah, I just see how you guys are TRYING to hype him up. You know it too but wont admit it cuz you soft like a twinky with the cream filling in the middle. Man up.

[BillyBoxing]

I think eventually there will be a call for that fight, especially if Crawford cleans out WW and moves up.

I am fully confident that Crawford would beat Canelo.

If you think Loma is better than Crawford there is an easy way to find out. Your response tells me you realize that Crawford would beat the crap out of Loma.

I think he's a better fighter P4P than Crawford, by the eye test and late record/results.

At 135 I give Loma a dead serious shot to beat Crawford.
Above that's not a fair fight in terms of weight.

That grown up Canelo at 160 would blast Crawford.

Canelo had GGG and Chavez jr good boy with his snap and like them or not those guys have serious chins. So imagine what his punches would do to Bud.

Vs the young Nelo at 147 BUD has a serious shot, at 154 he would get outgunned too.

And the bad thing is Canelo speed matches Crawford's.

Canelo would litteraly break Crawford down.

Don't sleep on Canelo.

Everybody wants to fight him because of the money, not because he's an easy to fight.

Nelo only lost to Floyd by the age of 23 at a drained CW of 152 when dude struggled to make 154.

[The Big Dunn]

I think he's a better fighter P4P than Crawford, by the eye test and late record/results.

At 135 I give Loma a dead serious shot to beat Crawford.
Above that's not a fair fight in terms of weight.

That grown up Canelo at 160 would blast Crawford.

Canelo had GGG and Chavez jr good boy with his snap and like them or not those guys have serious chins. So imagine what his punches would do to Bud.

Vs the young Nelo at 147 BUD has a serious shot, at 154 he would get outgunned too.

And the bad thing is Canelo speed matches Crawford's.

Canelo would litteraly break Crawford down.

Don't sleep on Canelo.

Everybody wants to fight him because of the money, not because he's an easy to fight.

Nelo only lost to Floyd by the age of 23 at a drained CW of 152 when dude struggled to make 154.

That's fine. every credible p4p ranking disagrees with your assessment. but you are entitled to your opinion.

At 135. Crawford isn't going back to 135. Fair? LMFAO. As I said in an earlier post a number of fighters Loma is being compared to-Floyd, roy, Manny, Holyfield, JMM-fought bigger guys and won.

Then maybe they can fight and we will see.

Canelo's speed matches Crawford-I disagree. Canelo does hit hard but as the Floyd fight showed you if you don't connect it doesn't matter how hard you hit.

Like I said-put them all in the ring. I will take Crawford over both. If it happens and I am proven wrong I will wear it.

[Mike_R]

Dang Bud.

Definitely showing his ass a little bit here but I mean, really, he isn't so wrong in some ways.

Crawford had a hell of a year and I wouldn't think it to be odd or wrong if he had been picked over Lomachenko.

As far as P4P goes, Loma and Crawford are both firmly in the conversation and I'm sure Bud is probably just tired of hearing about it by now. He probably hears the comparisons on the regular.

[goldenbear]

Crawford and Lomachenko agree on this why not writers?

Lomo said the same thing and even stated Crawford is #1 yet BWAA disregard what both guys say and give it to Lomo can someone explain that one to me without being biased?All the writers who voted for Lomo essentially de-legitimized themselves picking Lomo when he himself said Crawford is #1 and Crawford's wins were more impressive.

[FLY TY]

I think there is a better chance of Loma fighting those three, than Crawford fighting his two

I think there's less of a chance of Loma fighting all 3, one-by-one, and winning the belts. I also doubt Crawford gets Spence or Thurman, before they fight each other. Chances are, if he becomes undisputed, it'll be by winning the other 3 belts off of one of them.

I still say, if both scenarios were to occur, Crawford beating Spence AND Thurman, and becoming a 2-weight undisputed champ, ****s on Loma beating Linares, Easter, and Garcia.

What does that prove except most people don't know sht about boxing??

As far as I can tell, Spence's claim to fame is beating a guy coming off a TKO loss.

So most fighters, trainers, and commentators know nothing about boxing? Got it.

[BillyBoxing]

That's fine. every credible p4p ranking disagrees with your assessment. but you are entitled to your opinion.

At 135. Crawford isn't going back to 135. Fair? LMFAO. As I said in an earlier post a number of fighters Loma is being compared to-Floyd, roy, Manny, Holyfield, JMM-fought bigger guys and won.

Then maybe they can fight and we will see.

Canelo's speed matches Crawford-I disagree. Canelo does hit hard but as the Floyd fight showed you if you don't connect it doesn't matter how hard you hit.

Like I said-put them all in the ring. I will take Crawford over both. If it happens and I am proven wrong I will wear it.

Easy to say because the only thing I know is those fights will never happen.

So easy to pick dog sht like you're doing

The thing is you're being ridiculous, Crawford would struggle to beat a top 10 MW, those fighters are 20 lbs heavier, so a TOP 3 MW in Nelo...

Bud still has to beat a top 10 WW in Horn before talking about MW.

Floyd beat a 152 drained 23 years old Nelo.

A 160 grown 27 years old Nelo is different story.

And Crawford ain't no Floyd

[chrisJS]

How is that a double standard? Most people do not see Crusiers fight because their fights are not televised. All the people that Crawford fought were featured on the major networks prior to fighting Crawford so people got a complete sense of who they were as fighters.

You keep talking about Razor but you are doing the exact same thing he is doing-elevating fighters just because they are white. You gerrymander criteria that always seems to have certain guys come out on top.

You seem to always put the guys non black fighters beat above the guys black fighters beat. Like you did here with Indongo, despite the fact Indongo went on the road and won 2 titles in impressive fashion while Sosa had lost and had several draws. Troyanovsky is just as good a win as Fortuna.

Usyk could win the tourney and not be considered for FOTY if he doesn't win impressively. He just edged out Breidis the last fight. Obviously guys that have more spectacular wins, like huge KO's, will likely win. Anthony Joshua wasn't considered for FOTY by many despite his wins last year so its not all race related as you keep claiming.

Eye test says Sosa's better though it's close. He did fairly well albeit in a losing effort against Walters also. The same Walters who many folks predicted would destroy Loma. Can't argue with the results of Indongo's two fights outside of Namibia, although Burns was washed up. Indongo's first US TV appearance was Crawford FYI so he wasn't a familiar face. The fact that it's close between them yet Indongo was a great opponent for some and Sosa was trash says there's perhaps an agenda.

I personally don't care about the ethnicity. You may only see me in Mayweather threads but you'll never catch me going for or against a fighter because of race. That's inaccurate. I'm probably one of the first people on here to get on Crawford's bandwagon quite some time before he'd won a title. I was also a big fan of Toney, Too Sharp and have been an Andrade fan for a long time. I think Briedis is a more impressive fighter with a better resume and future than Postol. A very valid claim. The people that watch both with regularity would most likely agree with that claim.

Razor always picks the white guy to lose, always talks trash about every white fighter (Usyk, GGG, Loma are bums he claimed), gives no credit even after being proved wrong and every time goes against every white fighter. Huge difference.

[BillyBoxing]

That's fine. every credible p4p ranking disagrees with your assessment. but you are entitled to your opinion.

At 135. Crawford isn't going back to 135. Fair? LMFAO. As I said in an earlier post a number of fighters Loma is being compared to-Floyd, roy, Manny, Holyfield, JMM-fought bigger guys and won.

Then maybe they can fight and we will see.

Canelo's speed matches Crawford-I disagree. Canelo does hit hard but as the Floyd fight showed you if you don't connect it doesn't matter how hard you hit.

Like I said-put them all in the ring. I will take Crawford over both. If it happens and I am proven wrong I will wear it.

Then why is Crawford crying like a btch?

[j.razor]

Your premise is false. Fans don't ride with flavor of the week overrated guys, they ride with elite fighters. Look at the names you mentioned. Manny Pacquiao during his absolute peak was one of the greatest fighters of all time. He beat great opposition. Margarito made Cotto take a knee, and was one of the most dominant and entertaining pressure fighters we've seen in years during his peak. Also a weight bully but at least he fought other top weight bullies. During his peak he was as elite and dangerous as anyone. Now it's come out later that maybe his gloves were loaded, but at the time fans had no way of knowing that. Sergey Kovalev likewise was one of the most dominant and feared fighters in years during his peak. He barely lost a round to anyone and hurt every single opponent he fought. He offered both Adonis Stevenson and Artur Beterbiev fair deals to fight him and both turned him down. He fought Andre Ward on Ward's turf with corrupt/biased refs and judges against him and outthrew, outlanded, outhurt, and outdropped Ward in the first fight, and also should have won more rounds against him over the entirety of the 20 rounds of their fights, and only "lost" the 2nd fight due to corrupt/biased refs. Nonito was close to unbeatable at the lower weights during his peak.

Heck, even Lucas Matthysse gave hell to prime Devon Alexander, beat Lamont Peterson worse than Spence did, and was up 4-0 against Danny Garcia before getting laced or elbowed in the eye which essentially ruined his career from that point forward. Once that eye injury took place he took a beating for the rest of the fight, then DSG wouldn't rematch him so he ended up fighting John Molina (at his peak) and Provodnikov in two more wars, and he's never been the same since then. Then, he re-injured his eye again against Postol. But if not for that eye injury, at his peak, he was on his way to dominating Danny Garcia at 140, something no one else had done, so did we even really overrate Matthysse at his peak, or is it just that his peak was very short due to the eye injury? Plus before that fight he never did any drug testing. DSG's dad even said they were going to put him on drug testing and take him off the juice. So fans have no way of knowing which boxers are good because they're jucing and which aren't. It could just be the case that fans recognize they are great before they do drug testing, but once they get on drug testing, they aren't great anymore so fans lose interest. That doesn't mean fans were overrating them before they went on drug testing, though. It means they really were great before that, but then they weren't.

I could go on and on. Many fans are less interested in GGG now than they were three years ago because he's 36 years old and past his prime, but that doesn't mean they overrated him when he was 30 and at his peak. You just can't say that. Plenty of fans also fell off the BHop train after he lost every round to Kovalev at 50 years old, but that doesn't mean they overrated him when he was 30. You just can't say that.

Who is your boss?!?