is boxing turning into wwe?

[Eff Pandas]

99%?

Absolutely no chance.

You probably don't keep up with boxing enough or over dramatizes when sketchy things do happen.

Refs do an good to great job overwhelmingly more than they don't.

Judges overwhelmingly give the fight to the right guy.

I don't see how that's disputable at all. Maybe it's not 99% of the time maybe it's only 97% of the time idk THAT specifically obviously, but it doesn't happen as often as fans cry about it + I think most fans don't get that close fights where the decision can go either way aren't "robberies".

But again boxing fans love to live in the black or white and avoid the more reasonable gray area cuz being all dramatic and emotional is more fun or more natural a state for them or something I guess.

[daggum]

You probably don't keep up with boxing enough or over dramatizes when sketchy things do happen.

Refs do an good to great job overwhelmingly more than they don't.

Judges overwhelmingly give the fight to the right guy.

I don't see how that's disputable at all. Maybe it's not 99% of the time maybe it's only 97% of the time idk THAT specifically obviously, but it doesn't happen as often as fans cry about it + I think most fans don't get that close fights where the decision can go either way aren't "robberies".

But again boxing fans love to live in the black or white and avoid the more reasonable gray area cuz being all dramatic and emotional is more fun or more natural a state for them or something I guess.

refs usually dont have to do anything but when they should do something they almost always fu-ck up. how many dq's for holding have we seen lately? zero? yet you got guys holding nonstop in some of these fights. big fights too. not just off tv undercard crap. its all a-side politics like usual. ward never has points taken away for holding even though he does it non stop. rigo had a point taken away cause he came in as the b-side so he got a point taken off to make it easier for the a-side to win and then was promptly destroyed. it just sucks for the fan when the a-side is a blatant cheater cause we know going into the fight we are going to see that crap go unpunished.

most fights are easy to score and arent debatable. the a-side guy almost always wins so its not hard to score, but when an a-side is in trouble and should have lost or its super close. we know what hte judges are going to say. nearly every time. we get a ward-kovalev, ggg-canelo, or to a lesser extent easter-fortuna type decision. the guys who clearly lost win, and the guys who probably should have lost still win.

[Eff Pandas]

refs usually dont have to do anything but when they should do something they almost always fu-ck up. how many dq's for holding have we seen lately? zero?

I'm actually a fan of this sorta thing but, you or I liking it or not, the industry standard says x amount of holding is whatever & okay it seems like to me. I mean its not like there are refs who go super hard, like I'd argue they should with holding, & then others are lax.

The whole industry is lax & til there is a deeper change there with being more aggressive with holding fouls things will be as they are & personally I don't blame that on the refs so much as the people training refs & the people above refs on the food chain of commissions.

So its a problem I agree, but its not the refs fault unless you just think every ref is deciding on their own to be whatever about holding & not being trained to do that & told by superiors to do that.

most fights are easy to score and arent debatable. the a-side guy almost always wins so its not hard to score, but when an a-side is in trouble and should have lost or its super close. we know what hte judges are going to say.

And thats that 1% or w/e tiny % where the wrong guy wins. I'm not saying bad decisions don't happen. I'm saying they happen very seldom.

And the biggest reason I can think of that people wouldn't agree with me about that is cuz they are coming down harder on one side or the other in closer, more competitive fights where the margin of error is large enough where either guy could win & its not realllllly a robbery cuz the scoring system may not fully be able to represent in the scorecards with what we see with our eyes.

As I've often droned on about here I believe the first thing that needs to be fixed with judging is making it less subjective & then when thats the case you can start handling the bad judges better cuz you can identify them easier.

Right now cats just say "(whoever) is a bad judge". You could ask them why they are a bad judge and they'll just say "Did you see that scorecard for (whatever fight)". Then ask them what was bad specifically with the actual rounds they scored badly & few got an opinion from that point cuz what EXACTLY does win a round. Its too f#cking subjective and thats a problem.

If you give a mfer a shoe instead of a shovel to dig a hole there are gonna be problems. And thats what I'd argue is the biggest issue with scoring.

The A side, B side stuff is fair & thats an issue I 100% agree, but it goes far beyond that & you can't start to fix the overall problems with scoring let alone the A side/money guy, B side bs specifically without fixing that bigger problem first. Although personally I think you'd kill 2 birds with 1 stone by taking on the bigger problem first.

[mlac]

99% of the time, the right guy wins? thats insane dude. bad decisions happen practically week in week out.

So the first boxing show of the year and there's already been a robbery (easter clearly lost)

He's also lost to commey imo and got one of the most corrupt scorecards in recent years (120-108) V Shafikov

[Teetotaler]

Rikishi is gonna end up running over Canelo.
He did if for the rock! He did it for the people

[Eff Pandas]

99% of the time, the right guy wins? thats insane dude. bad decisions happen practically week in week out.

Alright. Lets keep it small. There was probably a 100 fights last weekend I would assume if we looked at boxrec. Tell me all the bad decisions you saw or heard about. Although I guess you only need two if there actually was 100 fights.

Or tell me the last 3 bad decisions you seen on TV.

My assumption is you gotta go back a ways & there have been a bunch of fights. Or you are being overly dramatically about a close decision where its not so much the wrong guy won so much as it was close enough either guy coulda won.

And for clarity like I said 99% was for effect. It might be 98%, 97% or whatever, but OVERWHELMINGLY the right guys gets the decision.

[Eff Pandas]

So the first boxing show of the year and there's already been a robbery (easter clearly lost)

I think people overuse CLEARLY when it comes to decisions. It was a close fight. It was close on the cards. 2 of the judges had the fight within 1 point. And if Fortuna hadn't gotten the point taken it'd have been a draw iirc.

I don't think the wrong guy won so much as it was close enough to go either way. Tim Bradley getting a decision over Manny Pacquiao is the wrong guy winning. Lennox Lewis only earning a draw over Evander Holyfield back in the day isn't the wrong guy winning, since it was a draw, but it was the right guy not getting the decision he earned.

Those are decisions that I'd call a robbery aren't anything like the Easter vs Fortuna fight that was simply a close fight that either coulda gotten the decision in cuz of how close it was.

[MasterPlan]

Rikishi is gonna end up running over Canelo.
He did if for the rock! He did it for the people

Lmao, does Rikishi still fight and put his stank sweaty ass in peoples faces? I remember Booker T threw up once after said encounter.

[Teetotaler]

Lmao, does Rikishi still fight and put his stank sweaty ass in peoples faces? I remember Booker T threw up once after said encounter.

Nah hes retired. I think hes in the hof. Lmao was it booker T? I remembered that happen but forgot what wrestler it was

[Beercules]

The whole world is WWE now. Award shows, politics, news, sporting events--as a nation we have lost our dignity. Men in their 20s walking around in skinny jeans and wearing plush animal hats. Every pig with boobs thinks she's an Instagram model, ******** running for Senate, and marginally talented celebrities strutting around with a sense of entitlement telling us how we all need to live our lives. You've got a front row ticket to the freak parade.

That said, I don't see how having The Rock introduce the fighters could be bad for boxing. If anything he can have some crossover influence and maybe introduce some new fans who wouldn't ordinarily tune in.

I tried to green K you.