One Overlooked Fundamental About CRAWFORD vs Thurman and Spence Jr..

[suffolkbull3]

i think a big thing being overlooked in this spence bud fight is that spence cant rehydrate more than 10lbs on fight day.. the fact that the ibf title would be on the line favors bud. if it was for any other title where spence can rehydrate as much as he wants then it would be a big advantage to spence. the fact that ibf is in play makes it a closer fight imo even though i still feel spence wins.

[N/A]

I don't think you know what the word ELITE means in terms of athletics. You taking the literal definition of it doesn't not mean it's always applicable in context. In this context ranking and public opinion does not make a fighter elite like some want to paint it. ELITE in boxing is resume based. Or are you saying that a third world fighter that's 45 and 0 but has faced nothing but losers is also elite because they rank him in an undeserving position. By some of the logic here Takam this past weekend would've been elite too.

He's the consensus #2 welterweight in the world, thus making him an elite welterweight. Pretty clear. You don't get to invent your own definition of elite. Maybe you're just an elite hater?

[sweeterscience]

Would he really have the power to hurt them when Haymon imposes the advisory for the type of drug testing involved? Crawford might be naive here.

Crawford may have looked spectacular leading up to 147, but I have horrible feeling he will get exposed against Thurman and Spence Jr.

Take Pac vs Algieri to the power of Spence vs Algieri

In fairness, Tim Lane never let Algieri out of the cage.

Seriously though, I think Spence would probably the more dangerous fight for Crawford at 147. Crawford, and I really like him as a fighter and respect his game and power up to 140, but he seems the type of fighter who gets stronger only as he keeps bullying and pushing the fight on his terms. The first time Spence walks through a shot and tags him, it might keep him off balance and unable to right the ship.

I said before I think that Crawford may have to use his ability to switch stance and go Southpaw to stay away from eating uppercut supper all night and try to press the fight in bursts at angles around Spence's misses. I still think Spence overwhelms him, too complete and big.

Thurman, I'm just not sure how it would go down. I cant visualize the fight other than to imagine it might be like a slower Mosley vs a bigger punching Winky Wright in their first fight.

[turnedup]

He's the consensus #2 welterweight in the world, thus making him an elite welterweight. Pretty clear. You don't get to invent your own definition of elite. Maybe you're just an elite hater?

I'm an elite hater that credits the guy's skill...how does that work? I love how everyone else moved on but you can't respect my take on the guy. Sorry, I don't think his resume puts him anywhere near elite. Apparently, i'm not entitled to my opinion on the guy...you think he's elite good for you. His current resume, in my opinion, doesn't warrant elite status. By your logic based on ranking Josesito Lopez, Guerrero, and Malignnagi were all elite fighters. Move on, we aren't agreeing and your personal opinions of me are 100% irrelevant.

[N/A]

you can't respect my take

your "take" requires ignoring what the word elite means. you're entitled to your own opinions, but you're not entitled to you own facts.

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your "take" requires ignoring what the word elite means. you're entitled to your own opinions, but you're not entitled to you own facts.

Again, you still based ELITE on ranking. So if I went and got a boxing license and got listed as #2 that makes me elite? That's the only measure for being labeled ELITE. This isn't opinon son, it's logical thinking. Who you fight doesn't matter, just your ranking? How the fk is that fact?

[N/A]

you still based ELITE on ranking

No, I'm basing elite on the meaning of elite.

"a select part of a group that is superior to the rest in terms of ability or qualities"

Errol Spence is an elite welterweight because he is one of the very best welterweights in the world. Part of a group that is superior to the rest in terms of ability. I'm sorry that you find facts upsetting.

[turnedup]

No, I'm basing elite on the meaning of elite.

"a select part of a group that is superior to the rest in terms of ability or qualities"

Errol Spence is an elite welterweight because he is one of the very best welterweights in the world. Part of a group that is superior to the rest in terms of ability. I'm sorry that you find facts upsetting.

Ok what is your argument for him being superior? How many "superior" fighters has he faced? So are you automatically all on your own considering him elite and selling your opinion as a fact or are you basing it on his resume of defeating other fighters considered elite which would make his elite status a fact?

[N/A]

Ok what is your argument for him being superior?

The fact that all of the world's leading experts consider him to be superior. He is the consensus second best welterweight in the world. He is an elite welterweight. Better than almost all other welterweights.

[mathed]

Would he really have the power to hurt them when Haymon imposes the advisory for the type of drug testing involved? Crawford might be naive here.

Crawford may have looked spectacular leading up to 147, but I have horrible feeling he will get exposed against Thurman and Spence Jr.

Take Pac vs Algieri to the power of Spence vs Algieri

SMH, keep wishing mang. Bud gonna pick both these dudes to pieces; there's levels to this game.