Why do American Fighters Keep Ducking?

[The Big Dunn]

You have completely lost the plot. You keep going off of hypotheticals but name me a single fight in the US, heavyweight ofc, since the Lewis/Tyson/Holy era that has made fighters even a fraction of the money Wlad/Haye did, let alone Wlad/AJ. One fight.

Plus you keep talking like Wilder is a star in the US. He isn't so why should he sell in Vegas or anywhere else? The guy has never even come close to selling a ppv, yet he is supposed to demand location, money and purse against AJ?

On top of all that, you have gone entirely off topic. The premise is simple, why is it so difficult for some American fighters to make consistently top level fights against top level opponents when compared to others.

Why has Widler never unified in 4 years while AJ did in his first?

Why won't Thurman fight Spence yet the Brook/Spence fight was easily made?

How come all the top cruisers can fight each other on a regular basis but the top light middles cant or rather, wont?

Answer those questions and stop ****ing on about why you think Vegas is still the biggest place for HW boxing, when there has been no proof of that in 15+ years.

The division was trash and the champ was too scared to come back after he got KTFO by a low level bum. That is why there were no big HWT fights in vegas. I already acknowledged that point was solid.

I have repeatedly said AJ is the bigger star and draw. Never once did I say it had to be in vegas. I posted it should be his choice where the fight is. There is no way you missed these points unless you simply can't read.

AJ didn't unify, he fought wlad that was unified, then chose the easier unification fight, Parker, rather than the tougher one, Wilder, who is fighting Ortiz who is considered better than Parker.

Thurman has been out hurt. ****** question.

The CW are is a WsBB series the LHW's are not. Kov withdrew from the mando spot instead of fighting Adonis. Adonis signed with SHO the year before. You know all this so these questions are silly.

What more proof is needeed? As I said Wlad not coming back doesn't mean Vegas lost its spot, it just means wlad was a coward that didn't want to come back to the place he got KTFO.

You can't keep avoiding the fact that big fights are bigger in Vegas, except of course if its Wlad who came to Vegas and got KTFO by a bum.

[Tygshsu]

You have completely lost the plot. You keep going off of hypotheticals but name me a single fight in the US, heavyweight ofc, since the Lewis/Tyson/Holy era that has made fighters even a fraction of the money Wlad/Haye did, let alone Wlad/AJ. One fight.

Plus you keep talking like Wilder is a star in the US. He isn't so why should he sell in Vegas or anywhere else? The guy has never even come close to selling a ppv, yet he is supposed to demand location, money and purse against AJ?

On top of all that, you have gone entirely off topic. The premise is simple, why is it so difficult for some American fighters to make consistently top level fights against top level opponents when compared to others.

Why has Widler never unified in 4 years while AJ did in his first?

Why won't Thurman fight Spence yet the Brook/Spence fight was easily made?

How come all the top cruisers can fight each other on a regular basis but the top light middles cant or rather, wont?

Answer those questions and stop ****ing on about why you think Vegas is still the biggest place for HW boxing, when there has been no proof of that in 15+ years.

These Americans man....... Crack me up.This guy's like the 100th person to go crazy over Spence beating Brook,they go mad and are so patrotic,it's funny when they try to hide it but they are so into patroism but continually act like they dont,it hurts the Ego's.

[Tygshsu]

CBS can easily put up the money and air the fight on their network in prime time. If it is on PPV in the US, I'm sure it will sell enough for AJ to get that.

AJ/wlad made $9.9 mil US in gate receipts from a record 90,000 crowd. The live gate will be more in Vegas. The UK PPV was $16.95. You can make it $20 for the fight. There was no US PPV. If it does a measly 300k on PPV @$50 there is more revenue right there.

Again, I completely understand why AJ would want to fight in Wembley. However, if he wants to make the most money and be a true international star, then he will fight in Vegas.

Either way I'm fine. Frankly, it would be better for Wilder to KHTFO in front of dregs like you. A Hagler/Minter or Spence/Brook destruction would be epic.

What the hell is CBS ??? It sounds like a cheap channel.It would be the equivalent of AJ/Wilder on BBC in the UK.Why the hell would AJ/Hearn agree to go onto a Random Free to Air American channel you thicko.They will demand PPV from Showtime to bring AJ over as that is the only way Commercially it is viable.You dont make sense about AJ becoming a international star.Except for Wilder who is their to fight in the US you FOOL.Their are no American Heavyweights bar Wilder.All of them are UK Aligned and make much more sense Here.No it wont be a repeat of Spence/Brook because AJ is not coming off from a Weightcut or Surgery.Americans never mention this,your boys take the fights when either the oppo is too old/Injured/or weight cut.Joshua Wilder will be like Joshua/Martin,Bird legs going to leave London with him taking a dump in the middle of the ring

[rickJen]

The rampant inactivity is driving fans crazy more than anything else.
The Charlo sisters fight every seven effing months.
No injuries no nothing. Jermell's last fight lasted for, what, 5 seconds?
He should have fought again the next day.
And he's fighting again when, June?

[soul_survivor]

The rampant inactivity is driving fans crazy more than anything else.
The Charlo sisters fight every seven effing months.
No injuries no nothing. Jermell's last fight lasted for, what, 5 seconds?
He should have fought again the next day.
And he's fighting again when, June?

The fact that all these guys at 154, promoted by the same guy wont even fight each other is shameful.

[brettWall]

The rampant inactivity is driving fans crazy more than anything else.
The Charlo sisters fight every seven effing months.
No injuries no nothing. Jermell's last fight lasted for, what, 5 seconds?
He should have fought again the next day.
And he's fighting again when, June?

And they're still undercards to everyone else.

[travestyny]

When did AJ say he didn't want the fight? It is pretty well documented that Wilder was offered the fight, first through a two fight deal, starting with Whyte and then through a stand alone bout. Wilder turned them both down.

Wilder is the only one i've heard complain about the money and location. Show me multiple sources which say Hearn or AJ do not want the AJ fight and I'll delete this whole thread.

As for Pacquiao, show me where he said he would never do drug testing and that led to the fight being called off? The truth is, and you know this because you've been humiliated by it enough times, that Mayweather sprung an Olympic style drug test demand (Which never happened in 2015 anyway) out of nowhere, then said the entire country of the Philippines was guilty of being the world's capital in PEDs.

the courts got involved etc etc. In terms of fight negotiations, Pac said he did not want blood testing prior to the weigh in, but he was happy to provide urine. He also said he'd be happy to provide blood post fight. Mayweather turned that down without wanting to negotiate in a serious manner for another 4 years.

We also have the famous video of him claiming Pac hit too hard so wouldn't fight him.

Ward ducked fights for 4 years. His best opponent in that time was Barrera lol

Don't you get tired of the literal shlt that you keep vomiting?

1. All you've heard was Wilder saying he wanted the fight. He was much more vocal calling for it than Joshua.

2. Pacquiao claims he needed 24 days to recover from giving a tablespoon of blood. You left that out. Also left out how his dad blamed his side for the fight not happening.

3. Ward moved up and fought Kovalev. Twice.


You're an embarrassment.

[soul_survivor]

Don't you get tired of the literal shlt that you keep vomiting?

1. All you've heard was Wilder saying he wanted the fight. He was much more vocal calling for it than Joshua.

2. Pacquiao claims he needed 24 days to recover from giving a tablespoon of blood. You left that out. Also left out how his dad blamed his side for the fight not happening.

3. Ward moved up and fought Kovalev. Twice.


You're an embarrassment.

I have no reason to lie, so I'm curious why you're lying?

Wilder turned down the fight twice and it is well documented. Heck he even went on his insta or twitter or whatever to rant about it. He's been vocal because he wants to sell his fight with Ortiz, beyond that he refused to fight the 2 fight deal or even the one fight deal, whereas Parker jumped at the shot.

The Pac situation is once again, very well documented. All testing could go ahead apart from bloods at the weigh in. It is because Pac felt it weakened him before the Morales fight. He was more than happy to provide his urine at any time and to provide his blood sample after the fight. Mayweather rejected all that and only wanted things his way, which never happened in 2015 anyway, so why was he so adamant years before?

All the while, just like Wilder, lil boy floy used Pacs name to sell fights with Ortiz, Guerrero, Maidana etc etc etc.

This is the truth, what you're typing is a lie and I have no understanding of what you set to gain from it.

[soul_survivor]

Anyway, that is all in the past, why havent the charlos, lara and andrade fought each other? what about hurd? most of these guys are with the same management/promote/network, those fights should be as easy to make as pac/cotto/bradley and now pac/horn/tc. The latter is one of the few american fighters who hasnt ducked anyone thus far.

Why is it so easy for the european heavyweights and cruiserweights to all fight each other? The same can not be said for America nfighters. If you can refute what I've said, I'm all ears but please stop bringing up may/pac ad naesum.

[travestyny]

I have no reason to lie, so I'm curious why you're lying?

Wilder turned down the fight twice and it is well documented. Heck he even went on his insta or twitter or whatever to rant about it. He's been vocal because he wants to sell his fight with Ortiz, beyond that he refused to fight the 2 fight deal or even the one fight deal, whereas Parker jumped at the shot.

If you have some information, feel free to post it up. And no, I'm not talking about Hearns jedi mind-tricks of having him fight Whyte first, though speaking about that:

Eddie Hearn has insisted he will refuse to promise Deontay Wilder a shot at Anthony Joshua should he fight Dillian Whyte. Wilder said earlier in the week that he would be happy to fight Whyte, should a clause be included in the contract that guaranteed. Hearn believes fighting Whyte would give Wilder the chance to raise his profile in the UK, which would in turn create more interest in a potential bout with Joshua.

But, speaking after Joshua stopped Carlos Takam in Cardiff, Hearn dismissed the idea a fight contract with Whyte would include a Joshua clause. ‘No, it doesn’t work that way,’ said Hearn when asked if Wilder would get a guarantee to fight Joshua.

Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2017/10/29/deonta...7/?ito=cbshare

The Pac situation is once again, very well documented. All testing could go ahead apart from bloods at the weigh in. It is because Pac felt it weakened him before the Morales fight. He was more than happy to provide his urine at any time and to provide his blood sample after the fight. Mayweather rejected all that and only wanted things his way, which never happened in 2015 anyway, so why was he so adamant years before?

Wrong again. Mayweather wanted random blood testing up to the fight. Pacquaio wanted it 30 days out. Mayweather COMPROMISED and said 14 day cut off was OK, and Pacquiao wanted 24 days. 24 days to recover from giving 1 tablespoon of blood. Do you deny this, because I can point you to this too.

And what exactly didn't happen in 2015? In 2015 there was random blood testing up to the fight. You need to check your facts.

All the while, just like Wilder, lil boy floy used Pacs name to sell fights with Ortiz, Guerrero, Maidana etc etc etc.

This is the truth, what you're typing is a lie and I have no understanding of what you set to gain from it.

Lies? I can back up everything I say. How about you? Mayweather signed the contract for the 2010 fight. Manny decided that his team should put out that he is afraid of needles.

So let's find out who is lying, shall we?