Why do American Fighters Keep Ducking?

[The Big Dunn]

You can't disagree based on facts.

Wlad's fights never made as much in the US as they did in Europe.

Plenty of US heavyweights have fought in Vegas since the end of American domination, none of them have made a fraction of what AJ did in terms of purse. None of them have even been on any meaningful PPV.

You can't keep denying it and live in fantasy land.

Dude, think for a second. That is a Wlad issue, it in no way means Vegas isn't the fight capital of the world.

He fought Mccline, Shufford and Brewster (ko loss) then the Williamson debacle and he never went back to Vegas. Obviously US fans didn't hold him in as high regard as eastern european fans after getting KTFO by a lower level fighter so I can understand why he stayed away.

AJ, like Lewis, is a special talent that US fans will love. Put him in with Wilder, where people think there will be an explosive KO, and that will draw fans and be a huge event.

Yes, the HWT division was weak for a LOOOONGGGGG time. Now the division has real interest. Take advantage of this now.

I am not saying Joshua has to stay in Vegas. Obviously, if he wins and fights Fury you wouldn't put that fight in Vegas given its a battle between to English fighters.

[Tygshsu]

Vegas is still the boxing capital of the world. You make the most money in a big Vegas event fight. that is why people suggest Joshua should come to the US. If he can come here and dominate he will be a true international star rather than just a European star.

If Joshua chooses to stay in England then he will never get complete respect. Sort of like if a soccer player stays his whole career in MLS and never plays where the best players play in Europe and South America.

If you don't like the US, cool. Just don't call us when you need help.

Why the hell do Americans love Vegas.You're just boasting and showing off when you know deep down,Vegas is the centre of Corruption and fraud in Boxing.It's not like anyone in a Vegas Areana actually knows a thing about Boxing,they are just betting people and bankers.The price of a ticket is godsmackinf never mind the price of a PPV over their,and Yes i dont like the US,like the other 99% people around the world(your either American or not normal if you love the US)but that has nothing to do with my judgement on the US in Boxing Terms.It is a sink full of snakes like De La Hoya,Don King etc.

[The Big Dunn]

Why the hell do Americans love Vegas.You're just boasting and showing off when you know deep down,Vegas is the centre of Corruption and fraud in Boxing.It's not like anyone in a Vegas Areana actually knows a thing about Boxing,they are just betting people and bankers.The price of a ticket is godsmackinf never mind the price of a PPV over their,and Yes i dont like the US,like the other 99% people around the world(your either American or not normal if you love the US)but that has nothing to do with my judgement on the US in Boxing Terms.It is a sink full of snakes like De La Hoya,Don King etc.

Ok. Thanks for the response.

[Tygshsu]

Dude, think for a second. That is a Wlad issue, it in no way means Vegas isn't the fight capital of the world.

He fought Mccline, Shufford and Brewster (ko loss) then the Williamson debacle and he never went back to Vegas. Obviously US fans didn't hold him in as high regard as eastern european fans after getting KTFO by a lower level fighter so I can understand why he stayed away.

AJ, like Lewis, is a special talent that US fans will love. Put him in with Wilder, where people think there will be an explosive KO, and that will draw fans and be a huge event.

Yes, the HWT division was weak for a LOOOONGGGGG time. Now the division has real interest. Take advantage of this now.

I am not saying Joshua has to stay in Vegas. Obviously, if he wins and fights Fury you wouldn't put that fight in Vegas given its a battle between to English fighters.

I think you are vastly wrong on the fact that AJ can become a star in America.Except for Wilder the rest of the opponents are suited for the UK Audience.AJ and Wilder are barely stars in America,if Wilder the American Fighter dosent do more than 1 Million views on Showtime how the hell will this get strong PPV Numbers in the US.Ward-Kovalev done 300K(poor)and they are both known well and it was on HBO.Boxing is a dying sport in the US.Lewis comparison is wrong,Tyson was the Star of the division in those times for Americans and as soon as he retired,the intrest went from America in the HW Divison.Their is no point going to the US just for one fight,Miller and Wilder who else ?? UK however,Fury,Dubois,Whyte 2,Povetkin etc.Lewis never got the credit in the US anyway,he was slaughtered by the US Media and fans for his style and the fact he wasnt American.Joshua alluded to this and said it dosent add anything to his legacy fighting their,he knocks out Wilder people will quickly forget about it,and dismiss Wilder as a bum and said AJ got lucky he's in a poor divison compared to the 90's.We all know how the US Fans and Media works like<<<<>>>>>>

[Teetotaler]

Dude shhhh. Its racist to state facts

[The Big Dunn]

I think you are vastly wrong on the fact that AJ can become a star in America.Except for Wilder the rest of the opponents are suited for the UK Audience.AJ and Wilder are barely stars in America,if Wilder the American Fighter dosent do more than 1 Million views on Showtime how the hell will this get strong PPV Numbers in the US.Ward-Kovalev done 300K(poor)and they are both known well and it was on HBO.Boxing is a dying sport in the US.Lewis comparison is wrong,Tyson was the Star of the division in those times for Americans and as soon as he retired,the intrest went from America in the HW Divison.Their is no point going to the US just for one fight,Miller and Wilder who else ?? UK however,Fury,Dubois,Whyte 2,Povetkin etc.Lewis never got the credit in the US anyway,he was slaughtered by the US Media and fans for his style and the fact he wasnt American.Joshua alluded to this and said it dosent add anything to his legacy fighting their,he knocks out Wilder people will quickly forget about it,and dismiss Wilder as a bum and said AJ got lucky he's in a poor divison compared to the 90's.We all know how the US Fans and Media works like<<<<>>>>>>

Which is why i stated in the last paragraph, "I am not saying Joshua has to stay in Vegas."

I don't know that AJ/Wilder has to be on PPV in the US. It can be on PPV in the UK and AJ should get the majority of the cut, at least 80%.

Ward and Kov are not HWT's for ****s sake.

I agree on Fury.. Whyte is regional fighter so yeah that would be in the UK. In a year or so, Big Baby could be a marketable fight, if he keeps winning, that AJ might want to do in the US.

[Tygshsu]

Which is why i stated in the last paragraph, "I am not saying Joshua has to stay in Vegas."

I don't know that AJ/Wilder has to be on PPV in the US. It can be on PPV in the UK and AJ should get the majority of the cut, at least 80%.

Ward and Kov are not HWT's for ****s sake.

I agree on Fury.. Whyte is regional fighter so yeah that would be in the UK. In a year or so, Big Baby could be a marketable fight, if he keeps winning, that AJ might want to do in the US.

AJ/Wilder has to be PPV in America you idiot.That is the only way AJ can come over their given he makes 10-15M in the UK.What other way can Showtime put up the money ?? Stephen Espinoza had publicly said the only way to bring Joshua over is through a PPV in the US.But then the discussion goes back to will Wilder/AJ do good numbers in Vegas ??? I dont think it will,just keep that fight in the UK,Wembley.Maybe Sky should raise the PPV Price in the UK for that one off fight and Hearn should increase the Wembley ticket Prices by 30-50%.Waste and huge risk to let this fight happen in the US on PPV.Deontay is probably known more in the UK than in the US which sums up the attention of this fight in the States.Now Mayweather is gone i dont think their is a PPV Fighter who is American.Canelo and GGG are of course the two foreign stars.However GGG is getting old only Canelo Left.PPV is a dying art and Boxing needs to get off premium channels for it to get casual intrest again.Their's only a certain few like Mayweather and Mcgregor who can break that barrier

[Kneegel Puto]

It was the story of Margaritos career. Chicken Mayweather crapped his pants and retired instead of facing him.

I mean even that knee taking sissy Cotto fought Margarito. Mayweather is the biggest coward of all time

[The Big Dunn]

AJ/Wilder has to be PPV in America you idiot.That is the only way AJ can come over their given he makes 10-15M in the UK.What other way can Showtime put up the money ?? Stephen Espinoza had publicly said the only way to bring Joshua over is through a PPV in the US.But then the discussion goes back to will Wilder/AJ do good numbers in Vegas ??? I dont think it will,just keep that fight in the UK,Wembley.Maybe Sky should raise the PPV Price in the UK for that one off fight and Hearn should increase the Wembley ticket Prices by 30-50%.Waste and huge risk to let this fight happen in the US on PPV.Deontay is probably known more in the UK than in the US which sums up the attention of this fight in the States.Now Mayweather is gone i dont think their is a PPV Fighter who is American.Canelo and GGG are of course the two foreign stars.However GGG is getting old only Canelo Left.PPV is a dying art and Boxing needs to get off premium channels for it to get casual intrest again.Their's only a certain few like Mayweather and Mcgregor who can break that barrier

CBS can easily put up the money and air the fight on their network in prime time. If it is on PPV in the US, I'm sure it will sell enough for AJ to get that.

AJ/wlad made $9.9 mil US in gate receipts from a record 90,000 crowd. The live gate will be more in Vegas. The UK PPV was $16.95. You can make it $20 for the fight. There was no US PPV. If it does a measly 300k on PPV @$50 there is more revenue right there.

Again, I completely understand why AJ would want to fight in Wembley. However, if he wants to make the most money and be a true international star, then he will fight in Vegas.

Either way I'm fine. Frankly, it would be better for Wilder to KHTFO in front of dregs like you. A Hagler/Minter or Spence/Brook destruction would be epic.

[soul_survivor]

CBS can easily put up the money and air the fight on their network in prime time. If it is on PPV in the US, I'm sure it will sell enough for AJ to get that.

AJ/wlad made $9.9 mil US in gate receipts from a record 90,000 crowd. The live gate will be more in Vegas. The UK PPV was $16.95. You can make it $20 for the fight. There was no US PPV. If it does a measly 300k on PPV @$50 there is more revenue right there.

Again, I completely understand why AJ would want to fight in Wembley. However, if he wants to make the most money and be a true international star, then he will fight in Vegas.

Either way I'm fine. Frankly, it would be better for Wilder to KHTFO in front of dregs like you. A Hagler/Minter or Spence/Brook destruction would be epic.

You have completely lost the plot. You keep going off of hypotheticals but name me a single fight in the US, heavyweight ofc, since the Lewis/Tyson/Holy era that has made fighters even a fraction of the money Wlad/Haye did, let alone Wlad/AJ. One fight.

Plus you keep talking like Wilder is a star in the US. He isn't so why should he sell in Vegas or anywhere else? The guy has never even come close to selling a ppv, yet he is supposed to demand location, money and purse against AJ?

On top of all that, you have gone entirely off topic. The premise is simple, why is it so difficult for some American fighters to make consistently top level fights against top level opponents when compared to others.

Why has Widler never unified in 4 years while AJ did in his first?

Why won't Thurman fight Spence yet the Brook/Spence fight was easily made?

How come all the top cruisers can fight each other on a regular basis but the top light middles cant or rather, wont?

Answer those questions and stop ****ing on about why you think Vegas is still the biggest place for HW boxing, when there has been no proof of that in 15+ years.