Comments Thread For: Wilder: I'll Enter The Ring, Go Face To Face With Joshua in Cardiff!

[lion33lit]

If Ortiz & Stiverne (when he was champ) didnt have ANY danger in their arsenal when 220lb Wilder wanted em' your a delusional hater looking very hard to discredit skinny "bird legs" as best u can! Your just like the rest of the haters on this site.......go worship your idol like u did Ricky Hatton......

[KillaCamNZ]

Yawn. Why is this guy still talking? It's all he does.

[KillaCamNZ]

I'm not the biggest AJ fan, and I do think Wilder might have levels that we haven't seen because he hasn't really been in the toughest fights, but

"Why should Wilder batter a past prime Wlad?"

Because he would have established himself as the dominant force in the division. That's why. If he had done that, it would be AJ chasing Wilder, not the other way around. Wilder would have the bargaining power in the negotiations, not the other way around.

By letting AJ get to Wlad first, Wilder let AJ steal a march on him, and now Joshua has all the greatest momentum and bargaining power in the division. He's a megastar in the UK and arguably more famous in the US than Wilder is himself. Wilder allowed that to happen by not getting to Wlad first... which leads on to my next point.

Trying to argue that Wlad was washed up and would have been destroyed by Wilder only serves to show how poorly managed Wilder's career has been thus far. Whether that's down to a lack of confidence or rank ******ity is anyone's guess.

and as for your statement about Wilder wanting "Young Prime comp"

Young prime comp like Ortiz?
Young prime comp like Stiverne?
Young prime comp like Washington?
Young prime comp like Arreola?
Young prime comp like Szpilka?.. Duhap?.. Molina?

Those names are either old, unknown, or known to be terrible. It doesn't look like the resume of a 7 times defending world champion with 39 fights.

Seriously, I've not been posting long here, but I've found myself repeating this, DON'T TRY TO DEFEND WILDER'S RECORD. I don't know who will win between Wilder and AJ, because Wilder could raise his level to a level we've not seen before. I think he's one of those fighters who drops his level to the standard of his opposition sometimes (like Billy Joe Saunders and arguably Tyson Fury do) but if you throw him in there against AJ he might show his true level, which is what makes the fight so interesting.

But just DON'T try to defend his record. His record is s**t, and people who can't see that just look ****** or like they DKSAB imho.

Smashingly good post - truth.

[JRB123]

Nobody is trying "defend" his record, so u can name names till youre blue in the face. Joshua has no one of note on his record but u choose not to acknowledge that at all. I'm pretty sure you won't acknowledge the 3 fighters that were on PEDS as Wilder waited and nursed back an injury.......u have great points otherwise concerning Wilders management, but youre still an undercover worshipper of Muscles and his supposed aura.

Wilder fought what was available and even traveled - which is no crime, and even then the better than average comp was CAUGHT using PEDS!......you wont acknowledge this because Wlad seems to be the ONLY measuring stick in your book aside from the fact he was the PAST PRIME hugfest champion...... BOTH Wilder & Joshua had less than stellar comp, but theyre the most dedicated at there sport and are both KO artists - THATS WHY they NEED to fight each other........its that simple. Now u can continue on your one sided hater fueled tirade towards Wilder......

The reason why many get on Wilder's resume is because he is approaching his 40th professional fight and this will be just his 2nd against a top ten opponent. Stiverne was the first but that was basically by default given the state of the division at the time and also given the circumstances of how Wilder-Stiverne I came about I don't give Wilder as much credit for beating him as others may have.

This is not a tirade, it's facts that can be proven with evidence.

If you want to talk about the whole thing with the PEDs then go right ahead because I can dissect each of them one by one easily.

Funny how some continue to say that Wilder and Joshua have the same resume when one fighter had twice the amount of fights and has been a pro nearly five years longer than the other one has.

[Raggamuffin]

Hearn has probably already paid for wilders flight

The fights happening this year for sure

Yep. We know that the stiff ***** won't do anything but hide behind Hearn. Joshua is a ****en scumbag and so is Hearn. They're bad for boxing. Cowards.

[Raggamuffin]

The reason why many get on Wilder's resume is because he is approaching his 40th professional fight and this will be just his 2nd against a top ten opponent. Stiverne was the first but that was basically by default given the state of the division at the time and also given the circumstances of how Wilder-Stiverne I came about I don't give Wilder as much credit for beating him as others may have.

This is not a tirade, it's facts that can be proven with evidence.

If you want to talk about the whole thing with the PEDs then go right ahead because I can dissect each of them one by one easily.

Funny how some continue to say that Wilder and Joshua have the same resume when one fighter had twice the amount of fights and has been a pro nearly five years longer than the other one has.

Many don't get on Wilder except you Joshua **** blowers. If Wilder is as bad as you think he is then why won't he fight and beat Wilder. You fans and Hearn are doing all of the talking lmao. Tell that fake ass Gold medalist/wannabe drug dealer to fight the 40 fight man. Coward

[JRB123]

Many don't get on Wilder except you Joshua **** blowers. If Wilder is as bad as you think he is then why won't he fight and beat Wilder. You fans and Hearn are doing all of the talking lmao. Tell that fake ass Gold medalist/wannabe drug dealer to fight the 40 fight man. Coward

"If Wilder is as bad as you think he is then why won't he fight and beat Wilder."

I know you mean Joshua, but let me break this down for you.

When Wilder was on his way to challenging for the WBC title, did he talk about fighting Joshua? Nope. It was mainly after Joshua won the IBF belt is when he started talking. He was saying nothing when Joshua went up to the #2 ranking.

Even after AJ won the IBF belt, there wasn't much action coming from Wilder's side anyway. This is the same guy that was reluctant to fight Wladimir after winning the belt in a questionable way in 2015 but waited until Fury fought him and won. There was no plans for Wilder to fight Wlad in a unification. Finkel made sure of that.

When Wilder was cleared of facing Povetkin in 2016, he chose to fight Chris Arreola. Injuries prevented him from fighting for the rest of that year. In 2017, his comeback fight was against Gerald Washington. After that, he fought Stiverne again. That is not a resume of someone who claims to be the best in the heavyweight division.

Oh and I've said this before...if Wilder was really serious about fighting Joshua on the real, he would have stepped to him after the Wlad fight like Fury stepped to Wilder after the Szpilka fight...but nope. He sure had no issues talking big to Tony Bellew when he was in the UK though

[vitali1999]

Go get a Dog ASAP!!! Lol

I have 2 dogs. You go get a cat

[Raggamuffin]

"If Wilder is as bad as you think he is then why won't he fight and beat Wilder."

I know you mean Joshua, but let me break this down for you.

When Wilder was on his way to challenging for the WBC title, did he talk about fighting Joshua? Nope. It was mainly after Joshua won the IBF belt is when he started talking. He was saying nothing when Joshua went up to the #2 ranking.

Even after AJ won the IBF belt, there wasn't much action coming from Wilder's side anyway. This is the same guy that was reluctant to fight Wladimir after winning the belt in a questionable way in 2015 but waited until Fury fought him and won. There was no plans for Wilder to fight Wlad in a unification. Finkel made sure of that.

When Wilder was cleared of facing Povetkin in 2016, he chose to fight Chris Arreola. Injuries prevented him from fighting for the rest of that year. In 2017, his comeback fight was against Gerald Washington. After that, he fought Stiverne again. That is not a resume of someone who claims to be the best in the heavyweight division.

Oh and I've said this before...if Wilder was really serious about fighting Joshua on the real, he would have stepped to him after the Wlad fight like Fury stepped to Wilder after the Szpilka fight...but nope. He sure had no issues talking big to Tony Bellew when he was in the UK though

This isn't a breakdown of anything. Why would Wilder talk about Joshua before they both won their titles? Second, I don't know what you mean about "much action". Third there was no "reluctancy" to fight Wlad. Wlad was never a mandatory. Fourth, you said that it wasn't the resume of a someone who claims to be the best in the division. That's fight talk. Fifth, Wilder nor any fighter has to step to anyone to get s fight. Wilder has been embarrassing Joshua in the media. Fury stepped to Wilder and they still didn't fight. And finally Bellew stepped to him and told the media that he would do that.

[JRB123]

This isn't a breakdown of anything.

Maybe in your view, but for me it is. Since people seem to claim that Wilder is this guy that really wants to fight these "high profile" fights, there are those that prove that is not true. I am one of those people.

Why would Wilder talk about Joshua before they both won their titles?

Why not? He talked about Fury before both of them won world titles...

“The fight between me and Tyson Fury will definitely happen one day soon. The hype has been building like it’s been planned and once it gets to the peak where it’s an absolute must that fight’s going to happen,” said Wilder.

http://www.boxingscene.com/wilder-ta...o-fight--70976

Fury said he was ready to go for Wilder after Haye had to back out of the planned fight between them due to injury.

"And I know Wilder's team talk a good fight and they say it's me [who is holding up negotiations], but I can guarantee you now it's nothing to do with me because I would go to America no problem, and do the same as I did to Steve Cunningham in April."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...and-david-haye

Second, I don't know what you mean about "much action".

What I mean by that is when Wilder was and has been talking about wanting to fight Anthony Joshua, there has been nothing from their side to get a meeting set up or an offer made to make that fight happen. No one in Wilder's team - DiBella, Deas, Finkel, or Haymon - contacted Joshua or Hearn about making a fight happen at any point before the week of November 5th-11th of last year. If so, then someone has to point out when that happened.

Third there was no "reluctancy" to fight Wlad. Wlad was never a mandatory.

No reluctancy?

First, the claims that he was ready to fight Wlad were shot down by his co-manager Shelley Finkel. This was after Wilder won the WBC world title in 2015.

“Look, (Wilder) is a baby winning the title. It was his first title fight, they'll be a time for unification, they'll be a time for all those things, he could go and Povetkin in Russia and make $10 million. It's not the right thing yet. Give him a couple of fights, maybe bring something back to Alabama. Let him develop just like any other athlete." - Shelley Finkel

http://www.boxingscene.com/wilder-no...-finkel--86714

So right there when Wilder had the opportunity to unify the titles in 2015 after 33 professional fights, his co-manager said that he was not ready.

Fourth, you said that it wasn't the resume of a someone who claims to be the best in the division. That's fight talk.

Define what the term "fight talk" is that you state. What I am implying is that Wilder has not proven anything to show that he is the best heavyweight. He has one win against a top ten opponent in 39 fights. One.



AJ has two top ten wins in 20 fights. Povetkin has 5 in 34 fights. Parker and Ortiz have one each in a less amount of pro fights, and Pulev has two in 26 pro fights. Wilder has more pro fights than all of them and only one top ten win. That's it.

Fifth, Wilder nor any fighter has to step to anyone to get s fight. Wilder has been embarrassing Joshua in the media. Fury stepped to Wilder and they still didn't fight. And finally Bellew stepped to him and told the media that he would do that.

How has Wilder been embarrassing Joshua in the media? This is the same guy that in the middle of a back and forth with Briggs didn't know that Shannon fought Lennox Lewis.

Yes Fury stepped to Wilder but I stated earlier that Mick Hennessy was working on having them two fight way before that and it didn't happen.

Bellew was in the middle of an interview when Wilder was screaming his azz off. That's when Bellew responded.

Folks gotta come to grips with the agenda of Wilder. Get a world belt the easiest way possible and then have the least path of resistance to get a big money fight with Anthony Joshua.

That's wild...Joshua will have faced the #1, #9, and #4 fighter in the PBO ranking system in 3 consecutive fights while Wilder on the flip side would have faced two fighters in the top ten in 40 professional fights and over nine years as a pro.