Comments Thread For: Billy Joe Saunders: Eubank Will Defeat Groves - But Not Me

[Eff Pandas]

It's not being naive, can I see BJS falling away later in life? yes, I just think he had his moment up in Scotland, I was there, he looked like he had nothing, I could see it in his eyes, he was lost and just getting through, he looked awful. Since then he has applied himself, told himself he has 2 more years and found a trainer and environment that allows him to be the best version of himself......he's set a target to retire at 30.....he just needs to aply himself for 2 years and then he can retire and turn into a fat slob and enjoy the rest of his life......now after such a transformation and obviously being ware of the dangers of doing what he doen before......why would he make the saem mistake again? why would he get out of shape when he only has years left? that make no sense to me, and if he does it I will be VERY surprised, but I guess you wouldn't....

My opinion is formed through years of following him, watching him speak, seeing the difference in him and the way he carries himself. I have 0 worries sbout his dedication to boxing and lifestyle until he retires in 24 months time.

LOL oh you believe a 28 year old boxer is gonna retire in 2 years too? Jesus f#cking Christ did Santa Claus visit you last month too. I'd bet 30% of my net worth (so like 15 bucks-ish if my math is on point) that BJS fights past Jan. 2020. I mean assuming he doesn't die or have some Paul Williams type situation or something crazy like that.

Come the hell on man. I'm a BJS fan & consider him the sleeper of the division who can beat anyone in the division on his best night, but you are all the way up this dudes a$$.

[Vinnykin]

LOL oh you believe a 28 year old boxer is gonna retire in 2 years too? Jesus f#cking Christ did Santa Claus visit you last month too. I'd bet 30% of my net worth (so like 15 bucks-ish if my math is on point) that BJS fights past Jan. 2020. I mean assuming he doesn't die or have some Paul Williams type situation or something crazy like that.

Come the hell on man. I'm a BJS fan & consider him the sleeper of the division who can beat anyone in the division on his best night, but you are all the way up this dudes a$$.

No need to be insulting my man, I just think I'm gona be proven right in this case, the good thing is that we only have 2 years to see if I'm right. I see nothing in BJS right now that makes me think he will collapse, on the contrary I think he has found the perfect team and training partners and would NEVER let them down or be lazy when in this gym and working under the Ingle banner.

The main thing is that BJS is dedicated and stays on this course until he fights to unify the belts, there's a HUGE carrot being dangled in front of him, it all hinges on the GGG/Canelo fight, BJS will stay dedicated until he fights one of those fighters at least.

I'm just wondering what makes you think BJS will come into a fight out of shape? like I said, he would need to slit from Ingle gym or have a Tyson Fury meltdown which he has never done before

[alexguiness]

I haven't seen much improvement in Eubank since the BJS fight, and he's not likely to improve much training himself lol He hasn't fought any one that has made me think he's improved his skills, all styles and a level that would suit him. A good boxer beats Eubank which BJS proved... you might not think he was embarrassed in there but you could see it in his face every time he missed, BJS made him look silly at times as was clearly more skilled, it was conditioning that swung it after 6 rounds, not skill.

If you seen BJS at the recent conference then he's going into camp in good nick, and won't be too bad after the last 6 months fitness wise. If he was fighting Eubank instead of Murray I'd go for wide points to BJS. Eubank doesn't have the gameplan or skill to beat this version of BJS, never mind the old , unfit one.

I agree 100%.

Eubanks level of opposition dropped after BJS beat him.

The reason being that Team Eubank knew Jnrs limitations against skilled boxers. The Saunders that beat Lemieux would have embarrassed Jnr and complee exposed him. Eubank is a carbon copy of his father, he fights in bursts, then takes half the round off. He has a decent upper cut, very good fitness and the 'warriors code' (whatever the **** that means). His biggest weakness is he need to set his feet and tee off on people, he has no natural timing or distance. Guys like Spike O'Sullivan, Abraham and that Quinlan dude were PERFECT opponents for Eubank, they are slow, move in straight lines and need to take 10 punches to land one of their own. If Groves is prepared physically and mentally has has all the skill, size and power to beat Eubank convincingly.

[Vinnykin]

I agree 100%.

Eubanks level of opposition dropped after BJS beat him.

The reason being that Team Eubank knew Jnrs limitations against skilled boxers. The Saunders that beat Lemieux would have embarrassed Jnr and complee exposed him. Eubank is a carbon copy of his father, he fights in bursts, then takes half the round off. He has a decent upper cut, very good fitness and the 'warriors code' (whatever the **** that means). His biggest weakness is he need to set his feet and tee off on people, he has no natural timing or distance. Guys like Spike O'Sullivan, Abraham and that Quinlan dude were PERFECT opponents for Eubank, they are slow, move in straight lines and need to take 10 punches to land one of their own. If Groves is prepared physically and mentally has has all the skill, size and power to beat Eubank convincingly.

I don't need to add much to this as you clearly understand the game. If you look at the styles of opponents, B level come-forward types, they have no answer to Eubank's speed and work-rate.....a boxer that makes him miss beats him, it's as simple as that. He can't beat a boxer on the outside, keep him outside and box him and he will lose every time.

[Eff Pandas]

No need to be insulting my man

LOL my bad brother. I thought that was a lil harsh, but I thought it was a lil funny too & was feeling like a had some leeway cuz that was a wacky stance with the retire in 2yrs thing you gotta admit. I mean how many times have we heard that one ffs? But hell I hope he does retire in 2yrs. This isn't the sport to stick around in past your peak. Make your money & gtfo I'll always say. I'd rather be telling cool stories about BJS when he was fighting in his prime & is now retired doing other sh^t vs he's still fighting at 37 & is a shadow of the guy he was at his best like we have to do with so many of our favorite fighters & great fighters of any era.

I just think I'm gona be proven right in this case, the good thing is that we only have 2 years to see if I'm right.

I don't believe you can't be right like I said numerous times (with him never being in bad shape for a fight again or retiring in 2yrs). I just don't grasp your confidence with what some other dude may or may not do moving forward. I don't have that kinda confidence in family members or loved ones or anyone except myself & sometimes I even let down myself as I'm sure BJS has let himself down too. I don't think anyone SHOULD have that much confidence in others. Hope or faith someone does the right moves or that they do what they say makes more sense. But to think its written in stone is far too "true believer-ish" in a cat then I'm capable of being about anyone. Maybe I'm off & just being too cynical, but I still think you're being naive to suggest its not happening without question like its some biblical sh^t.

I see nothing in BJS right now that makes me think he will collapse

Did you know he'd f#ck up previously?

I'm just wondering what makes you think BJS will come into a fight out of shape?

For full clarity I'm not even saying he will come in outta shape. I'm merely saying its a possibility & you seem to be saying its not a possibility which sounds a lil crazy to me & a lot fanboy-ish.

But to the question humans being less change-friendly than most wanna believe + being creatures of habits we often repeat the same mistakes over again multiple times before we fix them, if we ever fix them. Once you fall victim to bad habits that makes the odds you fall victim to those same bad habits again much more likely.

So while I wouldn't say BJS is 60% likely to come in outta shape for his next fight I would say BJS is much more likely to come in outta shape for his next fight or fight after that & so on than some other boxer who's always taken his career seriously & never gone off the rails like BJS did.

[Vinnykin]

LOL my bad brother. I thought that was a lil harsh, but I thought it was a lil funny too & was feeling like a had some leeway cuz that was a wacky stance with the retire in 2yrs thing you gotta admit. I mean how many times have we heard that one ffs? But hell I hope he does retire in 2yrs. This isn't the sport to stick around in past your peak. Make your money & gtfo I'll always say. I'd rather be telling cool stories about BJS when he was fighting in his prime & is now retired doing other sh^t vs he's still fighting at 37 & is a shadow of the guy he was at his best like we have to do with so many of our favorite fighters & great fighters of any era.



I don't believe you can't be right like I said numerous times (with him never being in bad shape for a fight again or retiring in 2yrs). I just don't grasp your confidence with what some other dude may or may not do moving forward. I don't have that kinda confidence in family members or loved ones or anyone except myself & sometimes I even let down myself as I'm sure BJS has let himself down too. I don't think anyone SHOULD have that much confidence in others. Hope or faith someone does the right moves or that they do what they say makes more sense. But to think its written in stone is far too "true believer-ish" in a cat then I'm capable of being about anyone. Maybe I'm off & just being too cynical, but I still think you're being naive to suggest its not happening without question like its some biblical sh^t.



Did you know he'd f#ck up previously?



For full clarity I'm not even saying he will come in outta shape. I'm merely saying its a possibility & you seem to be saying its not a possibility which sounds a lil crazy to me & a lot fanboy-ish.

But to the question humans being less change-friendly than most wanna believe + being creatures of habits we often repeat the same mistakes over again multiple times before we fix them, if we ever fix them. Once you fall victim to bad habits that makes the odds you fall victim to those same bad habits again much more likely.

So while I wouldn't say BJS is 60% likely to come in outta shape for his next fight I would say BJS is much more likely to come in outta shape for his next fight or fight after that & so on than some other boxer who's always taken his career seriously & never gone off the rails like BJS did.

Every boxer maintains the retire by (x) thing until they run out of money, the reason I believe it to be true with BJS is that he already owns everything he needs, and doesn't live a certain lifestyle, he could retire now and be ok for the rest of his life, he doesn't NEED boxing. I can see why guys fight on but I can't see why BJS would...

To be fair, you said it's a possibility that he would do it in the next 2-2.5 fights, and that is what I am arguing. I think BJS will o for another 2 years, maybe 4/5 fights, and you are saying he will collapse before then, or there is a possibility he will come into a fight out-of-shape.

My argument is this. BJS has JUST sorted his life out after losing the love of boxing, there is only one path for him in boxing, stay in shape until he gets a chance to fight and unify the whole division.......now, you think there's a chance of him coming into a fight out of shape in the next 2/3 fights..... now he is way to have 1, then after that if he doesn't get GGG or Canelo he has another one(but will still be fighting for the big payday and the chance to become undisputed) ..... and he has constantly been saying heis goal on camera for months now, has a good team and people behind him and shows NO signs of failing......

You think what I say is extreme..... but you are saying this dedicated athlete is going to fail in 2/3 fights, that's 1 year, 18 months, and he is in camp NOW, with massive fights going forward.....only mental illness will derail him at this point, and that really would be ironic after your earlier comment.

[Eff Pandas]

Every boxer maintains the retire by (x) thing until they run out of money, the reason I believe it to be true with BJS is that he already owns everything he needs, and doesn't live a certain lifestyle, he could retire now and be ok for the rest of his life, he doesn't NEED boxing. I can see why guys fight on but I can't see why BJS would...

Personally I can't see why ANYONE would. Its a brain cells for dollars trade off from the first day you spar. Once you get paid, legacy be damned, gtfo. But for various reasons various different types of mfers don't retire.

Respect to the minority who do & I hope BJS is one of them, but I'd bet against it all day & be rich eventually cuz far more mfers keep fighting than stop young.

To be fair, you said it's a possibility that he would do it in the next 2-2.5 fights

Well I put the fictional over/under line at 2.5 fights to be exact.

My thinking is things are either going to go really right for him or really wrong for him in the next fight (after Murray) so I could see him having trouble adapting to his first L & things go souther from there outside the ring or having the success he's always wanted & Buster Douglas it from there.

You think what I say is extreme..... but you are saying this dedicated athlete is going to fail in 2/3 fights, that's 1 year, 18 months, and he is in camp NOW, with massive fights going forward.

I'm saying guys that f#ck up often f#ck up in the same ways in the future. Look at Broner. Toney. Ortiz. The list goes on in & out of the ring, that Wiener guy lol. This is less about some changes made with a improved live style BJS has put forth on himself after f#cking off a few times now & more about human nature.

I think if things do go south you could even look at this current time as like some chubby dude who started going to the gym on Jan. 1 & lost 50lbs or whatever over the next 9 months, but then found Hostess cupcakes in the fall & fell back off the wagon. That sh^t happens a million f#cking times.

And sure there is the guy who goes to the gym on Jan. 1 & loses that 50lbs then loses another 50 & then is entering body building contests or competitive sports & his life is now forever changed. BUT the most common story is the guy who finds the Hostess cupcake aisle again.

Look I'm a BJS fan as I keep mentioning. I'm rooting for the guy. But human nature is like ******** in the casino it always wins in the end. If it beats BJS with his training habits in the end no one can say yet, but I see no reason to have as much confidence he does get the W over human nature with his previous failings making him a more likely candidate to come up short in the future & if we could see this work itself out a 100 different times in 100 different realities I'm beyond confident he would come up short more often then not in more of those scenarios. Lucky for him he's only gotta play this hand once, making his chances to be 100% right a whole lot better.

[hugh grant]

Bjs must rate eubank if he thinks he beats groves.
But bjs and eubanj have both improved so it'd be closevagain