Comments Thread For: Billy Joe Saunders: Eubank Will Defeat Groves - But Not Me

[Vinnykin]

Idk about that. I think Eubank Jr has improved more than BJS since their first fight, but I do think BJS is still the more skilled fighter. BJS's biggest problem is his f#cking self like I've said numerous times, & with his traveler homeboy Tyson Fury. Both are incredible talents, but neglect that talent on a regular basis & both will likely come up short on their ceiling in boxing due to how lacking they've been. I don't think either will age well in boxing too so these two are aging 20 months every year probably vs other cats in the game.

And I definitely didn't see Eubank Jr get embarrassed in their first fight. It was a tight fight & idk that anyone could complain if it had went the other way.

Also good luck "believing" in BJS coming in shape or not running out of gas for any particular fight. You probably got more faith in him than his mom if thats true. I'm a BJS fan, but BJS makes being a BJS fan far more dramatic then it needs to be & if you think BJS won't show up in bad shape for a future fight (vs Eubank, GGG or whoever) I got a bridge to sell you.

I haven't seen much improvement in Eubank since the BJS fight, and he's not likely to improve much training himself lol He hasn't fought any one that has made me think he's improved his skills, all styles and a level that would suit him. A good boxer beats Eubank which BJS proved... you might not think he was embarrassed in there but you could see it in his face every time he missed, BJS made him look silly at times as was clearly more skilled, it was conditioning that swung it after 6 rounds, not skill.

If you seen BJS at the recent conference then he's going into camp in good nick, and won't be too bad after the last 6 months fitness wise. If he was fighting Eubank instead of Murray I'd go for wide points to BJS. Eubank doesn't have the gameplan or skill to beat this version of BJS, never mind the old , unfit one.

[Eff Pandas]

If you seen BJS at the recent conference then he's going into camp in good nick, and won't be too bad after the last 6 months fitness wise. If he was fighting Eubank instead of Murray I'd go for wide points to BJS. Eubank doesn't have the gameplan or skill to beat this version of BJS, never mind the old , unfit one.

Again LOL if you think we seen the last of the unfit version of BJS. I'd give him an over/under of 2.5 fights before we see Artur Akavov BJS again.

[Vinnykin]

Again LOL if you think we seen the last of the unfit version of BJS. I'd give him an over/under of 2.5 fights before we see Artur Akavov BJS again.

You really believe that? as long as he at the Ingle gym he will NEVER come into a fight out of shape, so for your prediction to come true he would have to part with Dominic Ingle, because the Ingle gym has NEVER trained or put an out of shape fighter into the ring.

So you're really saying, "BJS will leave his current trainer soon"

Lets see if you are right....

[Vinnykin]

Again LOL if you think we seen the last of the unfit version of BJS. I'd give him an over/under of 2.5 fights before we see Artur Akavov BJS again.

Any way, as long as he stays in shape for his next fight and then gets GGG or Canelo after, who cares? as long as he is 100% for that fight and stays dedicated for his next 3 fights then we can say the best BJS foguth and gave it his all, there won't be any excuses..... what happens after he fights the best doesn't really matter.

[Eff Pandas]

You really believe that? as long as he at the Ingle gym he will NEVER come into a fight out of shape, so for your prediction to come true he would have to part with Dominic Ingle, because the Ingle gym has NEVER trained or put an out of shape fighter into the ring.

So you're really saying, "BJS will leave his current trainer soon"

Lets see if you are right....

I could see all sorts of reasons why BJS isn't prepared for a fight properly & I'm confident he could invent some new ones I haven't heard before yes.

Like I said previously him & Fury are brothers from another mother with this type of sh^t & look how f#cked up Fury's career got. I completely believe that is within the realm of BJS to do the same thing & not just to shoot himself in the foot, but to shoot his whole f#cking leg off basically.

[Vinnykin]

I could see all sorts of reasons why BJS isn't prepared for a fight properly & I'm confident he could invent some new ones I haven't heard before yes.

Like I said previously him & Fury are brothers from another mother with this type of sh^t & look how f#cked up Fury's career got. I completely believe that is within the realm of BJS to do the same thing & not just to shoot himself in the foot, but to shoot his whole f#cking leg off basically.

2 different people, the only thing being they are both gypsy's. Saunders has stopped himself and got back on track before ending up like Fury, he made the adjustment and got back on track, being close to Fury would only make him see what he could become. He's 28 years old and has set a time limit and will retire at 30.....I expect him to be dedicated until then.

[Eff Pandas]

2 different people, the only thing being they are both gypsy's

But they have the neglecting themselves thing in common.

Look I'm OBVIOUSLY not saying they are the same f#cking guy. I'm saying both of these guys have too much ability to f#ck off & get themselves in bad spots.

They merely have something in common. Sure Fury has seen the worst of it, but I don't think BJS is incapable of f#cking up equally or even worse potentially moving forward. And for sure he can not take things as seriously as he's done before again in the future no matter who's currently influencing him or keeping him on the straight & narrow now.

If you wanna take the stance it won't happen, fair play I'm not arguing with you there, but to suggest it can't happen is just being naive.

[Vinnykin]

But they have the neglecting themselves thing in common.

Look I'm OBVIOUSLY not saying they are the same f#cking guy. I'm saying both of these guys have too much ability to f#ck off & get themselves in bad spots.

They merely have something in common. Sure Fury has seen the worst of it, but I don't think BJS is incapable of f#cking up equally or even worse potentially moving forward. And for sure he can not take things as seriously as he's done before again in the future no matter who's currently influencing him or keeping him on the straight & narrow now.

If you wanna take the stance it won't happen, fair play I'm not arguing with you there, but to suggest it can't happen is just being naive.

I get you, they both fell out of love with boxing, but one was because of mental health and drugs and one was because of fights falling through and living in the wrong area.....like I said, totally different scenarios and people.

I can say with BJS it won't happen, because he had his wake up call and nearly got beat. if you listen to every interview he explains this clearly, he was living in the wrong place and needed to dedicate himself for the next 2 years then he will retire. He has moved to sheffield and lives with kid Galahad during training camps and will be like this moving forward......so, barring a complete breakdown like Fury had then I wouldn't be worried about BJS moving forward, he has grown up and made the life choice to change his career, why would he throw it all away now? he doesn't have mental issues or is involved with drugs in any way like Fury.....trying to use one to comare the other is ****** IMO, sorry.

[Eff Pandas]

I can say with BJS it won't happen

Like I said this is just being naive. Even if you were a training partner or family member you CAN'T know he won't fall into the same potholes he's fell into before.

Sh^t man I only trust myself & everyone should only trust themselves 100% & sometimes I, just like BJS, f#ck my own sh^t up. It happens. Its naive & silly to think it won't happen again cuz of some words he happened to say one day.

[Vinnykin]

Like I said this is just being naive. Even if you were a training partner or family member you CAN'T know he won't fall into the same potholes he's fell into before.

Sh^t man I only trust myself & everyone should only trust themselves 100% & sometimes I, just like BJS, f#ck my own sh^t up. It happens. Its naive & silly to think it won't happen again cuz of some words he happened to say one day.

It's not being naive, can I see BJS falling away later in life? yes, I just think he had his moment up in Scotland, I was there, he looked like he had nothing, I could see it in his eyes, he was lost and just getting through, he looked awful. Since then he has applied himself, told himself he has 2 more years and found a trainer and environment that allows him to be the best version of himself......he's set a target to retire at 30.....he just needs to aply himself for 2 years and then he can retire and turn into a fat slob and enjoy the rest of his life......now after such a transformation and obviously being ware of the dangers of doing what he doen before......why would he make the saem mistake again? why would he get out of shape when he only has years left? that make no sense to me, and if he does it I will be VERY surprised, but I guess you wouldn't....

My opinion is formed through years of following him, watching him speak, seeing the difference in him and the way he carries himself. I have 0 worries sbout his dedication to boxing and lifestyle until he retires in 24 months time.