Comments Thread For: Andre Ward Hints at Comeback? At Higher Weight?

[aboutfkntime]

that " lil'G " thing..... really fk'd you all up, huh ?

[SonnyboyReturns]

For those of you speculating on a ring return it's not going to happen. I just realised it's actually in relation to his upcoming documentary. Skip to 3:42 of this interview:

[SonnyboyReturns]

that " lil'G " thing..... really fk'd you all up, huh ?

Oooh it really burnt the eurotards.

"triple gift" was also good after the Jacobs fight.

[aboutfkntime]

For those of you speculating on a ring return it's not going to happen. I just realised it's actually in relation to his upcoming documentary. Skip to 3:42 of this interview:

which makes all the wailing, and the gnashing of teeth..... fookin hilarious

[_Rexy_]

he would get destroyed at HW. Hell, he would probably get destroyed at CW.

[Scipio2009]

the tards hate him with a passion because of the " lil'G " thing

hilarious

He spoke the truth, exposed what needed to be exposed, and the rest of the world saw it too.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Yeah it’s ****** if he wants to win. Money is the motivator here though if wards backers keeps bringing in ridiculous dough.

I still believe he is more likely to take bouts against Anthony Joshua or Tony Bellew , over Andre Ward. Usyk can make just as much, if not more money competing against Bellew, Joshua or even Haye, compared to the money he would make boxing against Andre Ward.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Andre Ward got to 182/183lbs to fight Kovalev, I believe working with Mackie Shieldstone.

The Kovalev fight was in June, with Ward formally walking away in September, so he's had anywhere from 4-7 months, when all he was doing was working with Mackie and being a professional (keeping the exercise going, not being reckless with what he puts in his body, etc). Ward's frame is what it is, so I figure he may be able to add another 10 pounds or so, but if he's solid it doesn't matter.

Roy Jones Jr gave up at least 30 pounds to John Ruiz in their fight, Evander Holyfield was likely the significantly smaller man in most of his fights at Heavyweight, and the list goes on.

If Andre Ward can physically get to a solid 205-215lbs, it won't matter what Usyk weighs because it'd still be heavyweight boxing; any one punch can change the course of the fight.

And it's utterly hilarious that you seem to honestly believe that Usyk drains himself 30 pounds to not have to fight at Heavyweight, lol. Keep dreaming

As usual, you're speculating over events that haven't even occurred yet, based on very little to no evidence.

As it stands, Andre Ward has 0 bouts at cruiser weight, 0 wins at cruiser weight, 0 feats at cruiser weight, 0 accomplishments at cruiser weight and is therefore totally unproven at cruiser weight. As such, there isn't any evidence he can even compete at cruiser weight, never mind be very successful

If Ward could compete at cruiser weight, he would've done so already. Either that, or he is artificially growing his body after he has already reached his natural biological physical size limit (people don't usually grow naturally in size after their 30's). In other words, using performance enhancing drugs (PED). Or he has always been big enough in size to make cruiser weight but has been competing at smaller weight divisions as a weight bully by dehydrating himself. One way or the other.

When one retires, they don't get tested for performance enhancing drugs when they're training and developing their body and that's the most likely time one can consume performance enhancing drugs (PED) and not get caught and penalized for it. So if Ward is able to grow bigger than his natural size artificially and still perform at a high level, then chances are, he is an unclean and an unnatural athlete. Thus, if you discriminate against PED users, then Ward's accomplishments will have less value and have asterisks surrounding it.

Roy Jones Jr beating John Ruiz is analogous to Andre Ward beating Manuel Charr. John Ruiz is one of the worst heavyweight champions of all time. It's not analogous to Ward beating Anthony Joshua or even Oleksandr Usyk. It's one thing to beat a heavier + unskilled opponent like Roy Jones Jr beating John Ruiz and it's another thing to defeat a heavier + skilled opponent like a Lennox Lewis, Klitschkos, Anthony Joshua or even Oleksandr Usyk. And even Holyfield lost against pretty much every significantly heavier + skilled opponent.

Considering Ward is a feather fist, even in weight divisions below heavyweight. Then it does matter if Ward makes 205 - 215 pounds (assuming he is able to in the first place). 'One punch can change a fight' applies to knockout artists and strong and big heavyweights that weigh over 220 pounds like Alexander Povetkin. Not to sub-heavyweight feather fists like Andre Ward.

Olekandr Usyk looks bigger in size than David Haye used to look at cruiser weight. He appears to be around 220 - 230 pounds in terms of walk around weight. And his fight night weight is most likely between 215 - 220 pounds. So he doesn't drain 30 pounds but close to 20 pounds (which is something a lot of other boxers also do). And if he moved up to heavyweight, he wouldn't be draining himself at all to make weight and would probably weigh over 230 pounds with a little more fat than he currently has.

[Holler]

For those of you speculating on a ring return it's not going to happen. I just realised it's actually in relation to his upcoming documentary.

Thanks for posting that. He's a smart guy to want to finish one too early rather than one too late. Documentary should be interesting.

[Scipio2009]

As usual, you're speculating over events that haven't even occurred yet, based on very little to no evidence.

As it stands, Andre Ward has 0 bouts at cruiser weight, 0 wins at cruiser weight, 0 feats at cruiser weight, 0 accomplishments at cruiser weight and is therefore totally unproven at cruiser weight. As such, there isn't any evidence he can even compete at cruiser weight, never mind be very successful

If Ward could compete at cruiser weight, he would've done so already. Either that, or he is artificially growing his body after he has already reached his natural biological physical size limit (people don't usually grow naturally in size after their 30's). In other words, using performance enhancing drugs (PED). Or he has always been big enough in size to make cruiser weight but has been competing at smaller weight divisions as a weight bully by dehydrating himself. One way or the other.

When one retires, they don't get tested for performance enhancing drugs when they're training and developing their body and that's the most likely time one can consume performance enhancing drugs (PED) and not get caught and penalized for it. So if Ward is able to grow bigger than his natural size artificially and still perform at a high level, then chances are, he is an unclean and an unnatural athlete. Thus, if you discriminate against PED users, then Ward's accomplishments will have less value and have asterisks surrounding it.

Roy Jones Jr beating John Ruiz is analogous to Andre Ward beating Manuel Charr. John Ruiz is one of the worst heavyweight champions of all time. It's not analogous to Ward beating Anthony Joshua or even Oleksandr Usyk. It's one thing to beat a heavier + unskilled opponent like Roy Jones Jr beating John Ruiz and it's another thing to defeat a heavier + skilled opponent like a Lennox Lewis, Klitschkos, Anthony Joshua or even Oleksandr Usyk. And even Holyfield lost against pretty much every significantly heavier + skilled opponent.

Considering Ward is a feather fist, even in weight divisions below heavyweight. Then it does matter if Ward makes 205 - 215 pounds (assuming he is able to in the first place). 'One punch can change a fight' applies to knockout artists and strong and big heavyweights that weigh over 220 pounds like Alexander Povetkin. Not to sub-heavyweight feather fists like Andre Ward.

Olekandr Usyk looks bigger in size than David Haye used to look at cruiser weight. He appears to be around 220 - 230 pounds in terms of walk around weight. And his fight night weight is most likely between 215 - 220 pounds. So he doesn't drain 30 pounds but close to 20 pounds (which is something a lot of other boxers also do). And if he moved up to heavyweight, he wouldn't be draining himself at all to make weight and would probably weigh over 230 pounds with a little more fat than he currently has.

Andre Ward hit Sergey Kovalev dead on the jaw and folded him up; Ward's not Adonis Stevenson or anything, but no one simply walks through Ward's punches.

Usyk's fight night weight, according to your own words may top out at 220lbs, fit and ready to go (may rule of thumb is that 15lbs is about as big a weight cut as you can do above middleweight without the cut affecting the skills; 10lbs for fighters at 147lbs or below, with that margin narrowing for featherweight on down), so it's not like Ward would be dwarfed in such a fight (and it's not like Usyk is all that big a puncher either, tbh).

With size being similar, the hypothetical fight comes down to straight-up boxing skills, and I don't think that Usyk is anywhere near as skilled as Ward is.

Andre Ward's frame was basically set by the time he hit his mid to late 20s; any extra weight that he's put on since he was 180lbs, ready to fight Golovkin at 168, has likely come in the weight room and with S&C; trained properly, athletes have shown it to be more than possible to add a certain amount of bulk before impacts to speed/athleticism occurs.

Anthony Joshua is a different situation (Virgil can trust his eyes all he wants, and I respect his insights, but Anthony Joshua is a primed and fit 240lb heavyweight fighter), but counting out a 200-205lb Andre Ward, against a 215-220lb Oleksander Usyk is a mistake.