Comments Thread For: Cooney: Don King ****d The Game, Now Heavyweights Returning

[McNulty]

and didn't he get shot IN THE BACK? How in gods name is that self defense?

or did you mean the other victim, the one that King kicked to death was self defense?

I think you're mistaking my words for WBC WBA IBF'a words.

If you're going to engage me, get on the same page.

[_Rexy_]

I think you're mistaking my words for WBC WBA IBF'a words.

If you're going to engage me, get on the same page.

No, I was agreeing with you on the Brown death. I wasn't engaging you at all, I was adding to your point, that if memory serves me correct that Brown was shot in the back, which means it is in no way justifiable homicide.

My second point was addressed at WBC WBA IBF since he seems to think Don has done nothing wrong.

[McNulty]

No, I was agreeing with you on the Brown death. I wasn't engaging you at all, I was adding to your point, that if memory serves me correct that Brown was shot in the back, which means it is in no way justifiable homicide.

My second point was addressed at WBC WBA IBF since he seems to think Don has done nothing wrong.

Ok, my bad. I apologize.

Well, I think WBC WBA IBF is aware of King's bitter past.

WBC WBA IBF makes some good points and I was actually throwing out some trick comments on King nobody picked up on.

The monopoly thing I mentioned about King making you sign to King if you beat his guy --- y'all realize The Klitschko's have beeen doing this for years to their opponents right? Not in the same capacity, but if you beat a Klitschko you have get promoted by them for like 2-3 fights or whatever it was. They owned you for a spell.

King was a piece of shít, but there are a lot of details missing from many of the stories.

Here is a good bit here from a guy I haven't seen around the way in a long time.

Don King has made more than 100 boxers MILLIONAIRES.

Nobody talks about all the "ordinary" fighters King promoted who earned MILLIONS and didn't deserve it thanks to him. They just bring up Ali, Holmes, Tyson and Witherspoon.

Regarding Ali, the fact is, King paid Ali MILLIONS OF DOLLARS per fight, and the Nation of Islam took half right off the top. King didn't gouge Ali. King paid Ali the biggest purses of his career.

King "supposedly" robbed Ali when King promised Ali $8 million for the Holmes fight and "ONLY" paid Ali $7 million (still the largest payday of Ali's career), and Ali accepted $50,000 or $100,000 in a suitcase in exchange for the rest.

The truth is today most athletic commissions wouldn't have paid Ali at all for that fight.

They would've held (or tried to hold) his entire purse for non-perfomance.

They would've banned Angelo Dundee because Dundee (Ali's trainer) let a guy zapped on weight loss drugs compete.

Or the fight wouldn't have taken place at all because Ali would've failed both the prefight and postfight drug tests.

Ali was jacked up on drugs to make weight, and how Nevada AND HIS TRAINER (let him in the ring) still boggles my mind.

Dundee and the Nevada Commission were responsible for the entire fiasco.

Instead, after his awful performance, everyone ran for cover and then blamed KING for ONLY paying Ali $7 million - like that was the root of all Ali's problems. Jesus. Ali was lucky he got it.

When Audley Harrison fought David Haye, the British Boxing Board of Control held his purse and tried to prevent Audley from getting paid for non perfomance. Ali didn't fight any better than Audley did, and Ali was cheating and on performance enhancers on top of that.

Regarding Tyson, when Tyson got out of jail broke, King signed him to a $100 million deal with the MGM Grand. And Tyson went on a huge spending spree. He blew nearly everything he made. And when he started running out of money, he accused King of robbing him.

But after Tyson dumped King, Tyson signed with Shelley Finkel, and Tyson made another $40 million up to and including the Lewis fight, and he blew all that, too, and filed for bankruptcy.

Why doesn't Shelley Finkel get blamed for Tyson going broke? Tyson wasn't broke when he worked with King.

Just about everyone Shelley Finkel has worked with has filed for bankruptcy. He's supposed to be this financial wizard. That guy always skates by.

Truth is, for every Tim Witherspoon, who was dumb enough to sign one bad deal after another, there are 10 guys who King made rich, when no one else was offering them as much.

After Tony Tucker's dad (along with Shelley Finkel and Emanuel Steward and Dennis Rappaport), robbed Tucker blind and took 90 percent of his money, and Tucker retired and became addicted to drugs ... King brought him back, got him ranked, got him a mandatory shot with Lewis and a big money payday, and he maneuvered Tucker into another mandatory shot with Foreman (who ditched his belt). After Tucker lost to Seldon, King maneuvered Tucker into a Vacant WBO title shot, which Tucker lost to Hide.

Same with Golota. After everyone was done with Golota after the Bowe and Lewis fights, King got Golota title shots with Byrd, and Ruiz and Brewster and made him a million bucks along the way.

King's no angel, but he's made as many millionaires as some internet companies have.

He's a legend. As far as I can tell, the only guy he shortchanged legitimately was Tim Witherspoon. Why, I don't know. Because he took very good care of many other fighters.

Pick up Earnie Shavers' book. Earnie still loves Don King to this day. When Earnie lost all his money after boxing, King even gave Shavers a job.

A lot of people in boxing (publicists, photographers, etc.) have worked for King's company for many years. King still - to this day - gives away free fight tickets to U.S. soldiers who show up to his fights in uniform. He seems to be loyal to people who are loyal to him. If you don't want to work with him, but are forced to, he's going to look for ways to take advantage of you (because he feels you're looking for ways to do the same to him).

A guy I used to train with knew one of Kings fighters from back in the day. The guy said nothing but good things about King. How he got him fights when he was bum broke. Gave him advances, put food on the table. Never had no problems.

[_Rexy_]

I was unaware King had so many supporters TBH. Clearly Terrible Tim got it the worst from King, and King ripped off and ruined many fighters. Had no idea Shavers liked him though. Shavers may like him for a very easy reason though, if you remember early Earnie Shavers, he gassed very early in fights because he couldn't afford proper training. A little help from King could have gone a HUGE way for Big Earne

[McNulty]

I was unaware King had so many supporters TBH. Clearly Terrible Tim got it the worst from King, and King ripped off and ruined many fighters. Had no idea Shavers liked him though. Shavers may like him for a very easy reason though, if you remember early Earnie Shavers, he gassed very early in fights because he couldn't afford proper training. A little help from King could have gone a HUGE way for Big Earne

King did do some good things but I think people tend to remember the bad he did moreso. Rightly so, he was a thug for sure --- no doubt about it. Overall, I think he did a lot of good. But dam man, he killed two men one of which with his own hands and that's some raw dog shít.

Don may have been bad for BOXERS, but he definitely wasn't bad for boxing fans.

Best quote of the topic.

[_Rexy_]

King did do some good things but I think people tend to remember the bad he did moreso. Rightly so, he was a thug for sure --- no doubt about it. Overall, I think he did a lot of good. But dam man, he killed two men one of which with his own hands and that's some raw dog shít.

which is why I said a few pages ago: "Even Hitler made the Autobahn"

[APBrooklyn]

Cooney has a point. I hope the HW div keeps this stir going....
He and Randy Gordon have a good boxing radio show on Siri