Comments Thread For: Hearn: Let's See How Parker Reacts When Joshua Lands on Chin!

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It is a perfect example of how rankings for said belts are a joke.

But we weren't talking about sanctioning body rankings. We were talking about the major independent world rankings (TBRB, etc)

[juggernaut666]

We're not talking sanctioning body rankings. We're talking TBRB, ESPN, RING, etc. Stiverne was a consensus #2 or #3 when Wilder beat him for the title. So when people say Wilder has never fought a top guy, they're lying. It's actually AJ that has never fought a top guy. His big win was a very very inactive old fighter who hadn't won a fight in years, so he was not a consensus #2 or #3 guy heading into that fight.

Obviously even a faded Klitschko is a much more commercially significant win than a prime Stiverne. Nobody is questioning that. But what's being questioned is trolls insisting that Wilder has avoided top competition. It's simply not true. Did he immediately seek out the absolute toughest opponent immediately after winning the title? No.

But neither did AJ. Neither did Parker. Each of them took a couple gimmes. Standard procedure. And we're not criticizing AJ or Parker for that. We're simply calling out the hypocrisy on the standard Wilder is held to, especially considering he signed to fight Povetkin & King Kong and they both pissed hot.

Klitchko was still considered the guy to defeat which is why many to most were still picking him over Joshua . He was ranked at number 1 in most , so your just trying to again fit the puzzle pieces where you want them.

There were a handful of guys over Stiverne in 2015.

You keep claiming he was this consensus top fighter yet was appointed the Wilder fight ( mysteriously ) prior to that he was ranked 7 by the WBC .

Joshua fought who was available , Wilder in 9 years has not .

Parker has a better resume than even Wilder and he himself has taken soft touches . A Joshua fight makes Wilder look real bad .

It doesnt matter if Wilder signed to fight Povetkin itwas his mandatory and that fight was in play before Martin CHOSE to fight Joshua .

To claim Wilder could have gave up his belt to go after the IBF you continue to post on here is ridiculous , since it would only show Wilder avoiding a fight and Martin himself not interested in Wilder bc they are Haymon fighters.

Wilder did fight ranked guys who were ACTUALLY ranked without WBC manipulation and they were Molina and Spzilka . These guys are NOT better than the guys Joshua has fought , they wouldn't even be his top 5 wins , Stiverne in 2017 is as relevant as Kevin Johnson but at least that old man is winning and active .


At the of the day Stiverne is a Don King fighter and his undefeated record before facing Wilder was based on fighting absolutely no one . If you think Stiverne was a top guy what was it based on ? I could list Lucas Broewne the number 2 fighter in the world , if i did that what do you think the reaction would be ? lol

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Klitchko was still considered the guy to defeat which is why many to most were still picking him over Joshua .

This is simply not true. Joshua was the clear betting favorite.

He was ranked at number 1 in most , so your just trying to again fit the puzzle pieces where you want them.

This is simply not true. He hadn't won a fight in years and was removed from many rankings due to inactivity.

[juggernaut666]

This is simply not true. Joshua was the clear betting favorite.




This is simply not true. He hadn't won a fight in years and was removed from many rankings due to inactivity.

It is true and anyone could see he was still considered the guy to beat ,he was even favored over Fury in the rematch .

He was not removed bc while inactive he was still training and signed to fight Joshua in 2016 so your just making things up. Joshua would have been the only guy favored over Klitchko and he was .

If you had actual rankings to suit you ....you would have posted them.

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Joshua would have been the only guy favored over Klitchko and he was .

You're only saying that now because we exposed your bull****. Two seconds ago you said:

"Klitchko was still considered the guy to defeat which is why many to most were still picking him over Joshua"

If you had actual rankings to suit you ....you would have posted them.

We've posted them many times, but we'll post them again since we find you so charming:

http://www.tbrb.org/2017/05/15/11-april-2017/

[Kezzer]

You're only saying that now because we exposed your bull****. Two seconds ago you said:

"Klitchko was still considered the guy to defeat which is why many to most were still picking him over Joshua"





We've posted them many times, but we'll post them again since we find you so charming:

http://www.tbrb.org/2017/05/15/11-april-2017/

By the way before klistchko was removed for inactivity here were rankings from your favourite side (which ironically isn’t the three sanctioning bodies):

Heavyweight
Champion: Open
1. Wladimir Klitschko
2. Alexander Povetkin
3. Luis Ortiz
4. Deontay Wilder
5. Anthony Joshua
6. Joseph Parker
7. Kubrat Pulev
8. Bermane Stiverne
9. Carlos Takam
10. Johann Duhaupas

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rankings from your favourite side (which ironically isn’t the three sanctioning bodies)

They serve two totally different purposes. The sanctioning bodies are supposed to rank the best fighters fighting for those sanctioning bodies.

Independent rankings such as TBRB, Boxrec, etc are supposed to rank the best fighters fighting for any organization.

Those are two very different things. Who is the best in the world and who is the best in one specific organization.

[Kezzer]

Ok then so aswell as above before klistchko went inactive.

The ring:

Heavyweights
Tyson Fury, Champion

Wladimir Klitschko
Deontay Wilder
Kubrat Pulev
Luis Ortiz
Anthony Joshua
Joseph Parker
Bermane Stiverne
David Haye
Andy Ruiz Jr.
Dillian Whyte

box rec I can’t find the history but given klistchko is #6 all-time is struggle to see him not being top!

Stop trying to argue that black is white. Everyone knows klistchko was regarded as one of, and in a high proportion - the absolute, best fighter still active, including fury. Infact bookies had klistchko favourite in a rematch. Joshua was a slight favourite when they fought, but pundits were very split.

[juggernaut666]

You're only saying that now because we exposed your bull****. Two seconds ago you said:

"Klitchko was still considered the guy to defeat which is why many to most were still picking him over Joshua"





We've posted them many times, but we'll post them again since we find you so charming:

http://www.tbrb.org/2017/05/15/11-april-2017/

Are you saying Klitchko was not favored over Fury ? If so your either a liar or an idiot . Maybe your an idiot liar ?

Are you saying Klitchko was not ranked in 2016 ? You continue to do so ? Dummy

See the only FAKE bull shyter who continually gets exposed is you on here .

You havent listed ANY REAL rankings regarding Klitchko who you claim was NOT ranked . TRANSNATIONAL rankings doe ? The LEGIT system in having Bellew and not Klitchko !

You havent refutted anything i posted which INLUDES my statement that MANY CONSIDERED Klitchko as the favored over Joshua (this doesn't effect who was actually favored )and the fact you THINK Stiverne was a number 2 HW shows who the dumb one is doesn't it?


Go back too your "Original Zero " account ! You know that one everybody here crushed .Maybe challenge more posters to a fight for 50 G's when you explode like you just did here .......

Thats what WBC associates do right ,you know the guys you CLAIM to be in direct contact with right ?

[Deus]

We're not talking sanctioning body rankings. We're talking TBRB, ESPN, RING, etc. Stiverne was a consensus #2 or #3 when Wilder beat him for the title. So when people say Wilder has never fought a top guy, they're lying. It's actually AJ that has never fought a top guy. His big win was a very very inactive old fighter who hadn't won a fight in years, so he was not a consensus #2 or #3 guy heading into that fight.

Obviously even a faded Klitschko is a much more commercially significant win than a prime Stiverne. Nobody is questioning that. But what's being questioned is trolls insisting that Wilder has avoided top competition. It's simply not true. Did he immediately seek out the absolute toughest opponent immediately after winning the title? No.

But neither did AJ. Neither did Parker. Each of them took a couple gimmes. Standard procedure. And we're not criticizing AJ or Parker for that. We're simply calling out the hypocrisy on the standard Wilder is held to, especially considering he signed to fight Povetkin & King Kong and they both pissed hot.

You're talking on technicalities here.

Klitschko was rated the number 1 heavyweight on TBRB only 6 months prior to the Joshua fight. Yes he was technically removed due to inactivity... but are you seriously trying to claim that in 6 months he'd really gone from being the top rated heavyweight to a 'very very inactive old fighter who hadn't won a fight in years'? Baring in mind back in November he already hadn't fought in a year and was still coming off a loss... yet he was still ranked as the top heavyweight.

That said as with regards to Wilder; yes he does get unfairly criticised at times, but it wasn't exactly a couple of gimmes for him after winning the title... it was half a dozen fights and 2 whole years of gimmes. Granted he had injury problems during that time thus it isn't fair to totally hold that against him... and obviously the Povetkin fight fell through.

All credit to him though that for the last 6 months he has attempted to step up his competition and looks to be doing so going into this new year.