Danny Garcia Is Screwing Up His Legacy

[daggum]

It's not a flip flop at all

Trying to get advantages in location, gloves , ring size is part of the sport

You can't be Fighting the best available fighters in their prime in 50/50 fights and be considered a cherry picker

You continually crying about the judges , ref , humidity in the arena , location or whatever else to help you cope with the fact Kov lost twice to Ward is just you
Crying and looking for excuses


Now if you want to go through on how Top Ranks treats their stars and giving them fights when most of the notable names they face are either moving up/down in weight , coming off a loss , old or inactive that will be closer to the definition of cherry picking for the right opportunity

"I would classify A cherry picker as some one who always has an advantage in a fight" -you

ward had all the advantages so according to you from a couple posts ago he's a cherry picker. you are really debating yourself here, and losing. is that possible?

basically what you are trying to say is that its ok to have all the advantages and know you will win on the cards and can get away with cheating if its against good opponents? thats a really poor argument because thats the time when you most need cheating. did ward need to cheat against brand or paul smith? no of course not. he didn't hold, wrestle, headbutt, or low blow against them because he didn't have to. the only reason he took the tougher fights is because he knew he could get away with cheating. just look how he turned down the biggest fights of his career when forced to travel, so ward himself knows these advantages are the most important thing. he was not willing to fight when he didnt have them. and was when he had them. hence a cherry pick like you originaly said but then got offended when you realized someone you like(love?) does it.

[R_Walken]

"I would classify A cherry picker as some one who always has an advantage in a fight" -you

ward had all the advantages so according to you from a couple posts ago he's a cherry picker. you are really debating yourself here, and losing. is that possible?

basically what you are trying to say is that its ok to have all the advantages and know you will win on the cards and can get away with cheating if its against good opponents? thats a really poor argument because thats the time when you most need cheating. did ward need to cheat against brand or paul smith? no of course not. he didn't hold, wrestle, headbutt, or low blow against them because he didn't have to. the only reason he took the tougher fights is because he knew he could get away with cheating. just look how he turned down the biggest fights of his career when forced to travel, so ward himself knows these advantages are the most important thing. he was not willing to fight when he didnt have them. and was when he had them. hence a cherry pick like you originaly said but then got offended when you realized someone you like(love?) does it.

You got me Daggum , I should have gone into more detail what my views are on a Cherry picker. I've stated in previous posts that getting a advantage in location and such is part of the sport that to me isn't cherry picking it's just part of the sport

Fighting against guys who are old , coming off losses , inactive or moving up to weight class they haven't fought before or aren't comfortable in to me is cherry picking

To me Fighting elite level competition in their prime isn't cherry picking. But maybe that's me


Yes the judges , the ref , HBO were all against Kovalev because he's Russian and a bad guy

It's just such a laughable excuse to blame the judging and the ref instead of blaming the fighter who faded in both fights in the second half and in the rematch was looking for a way out.

Yes the first fight was close and could have gone either way. I scored it like the judges 114-113 for Ward but the fight could have been a draw or given to Kov. Kov didn't lose both fights because of the judging or the refs he lost because he faded in the second half and allowed Ward back in it. And Kov the bully couldn't handle someone bullying him back

Does Ward fight dirty, yeah but this sport is basically about trying to beat the sh.it out of another human being.Things are bound to get ugly, fighters have been pushing the limits of whatever they can get away with since the beginning of the sport and part of the sport is how fighters deal with it.

Were you crying for Mayweather when Maidana fought dirty as f.uck in the first fight. No you didn't and you shouldn't have because that's what he needed to do to try and get a W

In the case of Kov, Ward mentally broke Kov in the rematch and had him looking for a way out because he couldn't handle being bullied . That's basically it

[Slicc]

Last time

I doubt it.

Yeah losing a close fight to a P4P fighter in your second weight class confirms that Garcia is sh.it. Yeah ok buds

That's a straw man argument. I never said that Garcia is shit for losing to Thurman. Herrera already proved Garcia isn't all that great, Thurman just reaffirmed it.

Herrera at the time was a top 10 guy at 140, was the last guy at 140 to beat Ruslan who had a strap at the time and Lundy a top 15 guy at the weight and went on to have close fights with Garcia and Benividez to lump Herrera in with Salka is ******ed there not on the same level

The only things Provodnikov has are punching power and a good chin. Dude got outboxed by John fucking Molina in his last fight. Lundy has never achieved anything major in his entire career. He fell short every time he fought a great opponent. Herrera didn't achieve anything major, whenever he wasn't getting robbed, and he was the underdog against Garcia. Herrera doesn't have to be as bad as Salka, in order to be a cherry. Cherries are cherries, no matter the quality.

How can a fighter who has the second best resume his age be a cherry picker. How can a fighter who's been the underdog in more fights against Prime competition then almost anyone his age and won more often then not be a cherry picker ?

Here's a reality check: There's a reason hardly anyone still cares about Garcia's wins against Khan and Matthysse. It's been years, and his best achievement after Matthysse, is beating Peterson in a fight that could've gone either way. You talk about Matthysse and Khan, as if Danny retired after fighting them. How do you fight mostly bums and has-beens for 3 years, and not be considered a cherry picker?

It's easy for slicc to repeat the easy narrative that Garcia is a cherry picker but the Facts show otherwise

The facts show what, that Garcia hasn't looked impressive since beating Matthysse?

Unless you consider repeating the same cherry picker line over and over again winning the argument then yeah he won

You're acting like Garcia fought nothing but good competition. I backed up my cherry picker claim, by pointing out most of Garcia's opponents over the last 3 years, as well as his upcoming bout. You keep bringing up fights that took place 4 and 5 years ago. What kind of fighter, in their prime, faces 2 good fighters in 3 years? How long are you planning on bringing up Matthysse and Khan, before you realize that Garcia just isn't all that great?

[Gigantes]

I doubt it.


That's a straw man argument. I never said that Garcia is shit for losing to Thurman. Herrera already proved Garcia isn't all that great, Thurman just reaffirmed it.


The only things Provodnikov has are punching power and a good chin. Dude got outboxed by John fucking Molina in his last fight. Lundy has never achieved anything major in his entire career. He fell short every time he fought a great opponent. Herrera didn't achieve anything major, whenever he wasn't getting robbed, and he was the underdog against Garcia. Herrera doesn't have to be as bad as Salka, in order to be a cherry. Cherries are cherries, no matter the quality.


Here's a reality check: There's a reason hardly anyone still cares about Garcia's wins against Khan and Matthysse. It's been years, and his best achievement after Matthysse, is beating Peterson in a fight that could've gone either way. You talk about Matthysse and Khan, as if Danny retired after fighting them. How do you fight mostly bums and has-beens for 3 years, and not be considered a cherry picker?


The facts show what, that Garcia hasn't looked impressive since beating Matthysse?


You're acting like Garcia fought nothing but good competition. I backed up my cherry picker claim, by pointing out most of Garcia's opponents over the last 3 years, as well as his upcoming bout. You keep bringing up fights that took place 4 and 5 years ago. What kind of fighter, in their prime, faces 2 good fighters in 3 years? How long are you planning on bringing up Matthysse and Khan, before you realize that Garcia just isn't all that great?

bu bu bu bu bu bu bu you can't look at the last 3 years, you need to look at his resume as a "WHOLE" doe. and his resume as a "WHOLE" is the 2nd best in his age class. who else in his age has zab Judah, vargas, and ron salsa

lol again points to this dude for trying but u and dag are just killing him

[Slicc]

bu bu bu bu bu bu bu you can't look at the last 3 years, you need to look at his resume as a "WHOLE" doe. and his resume as a "WHOLE" is the 2nd best in his age class. who else in his age has zab Judah, vargas, and ron salsa

lol again points to this dude for trying but u and dag are just killing him

I'm tellin you, these lil fanboys are on some bullshit. This dude defends Garcia like his life depends on it. Lol, "Matthysse and Khan doe."

[Gigantes]

I'm tellin you, these lil fanboys are on some bullshit. This dude defends Garcia like his life depends on it. Lol, "Matthysse and Khan doe."

if you asked him to defend Garcia at 47 he deflects it with his "look it as a whole" bs.

Garcia at 40 had khan and lucas, good wins, don't take it away from him, but I still say those were fortunate wins. if he knew he could beat both of those guys he would've gave them a rematch but instead he ran away.

[Curt Henning]

i havent read through this whole thread...just the first post and page....but did anyone ever stop and think that danny garcia doesnt really care about his legacy?

im not a garcia fan..im indifferent to him....dont really care what he does.....but i dont hear danny garcia out here(that im aware of) complaining about his activity, who hes fighting or his money? danny garcia seems genuinely happy

not all fighters are concerned with some percieved "legacy"....even everyones idol golovkin isnt all that concerned or else he would have done things differently.....danny seems content

[Slicc]

i havent read through this whole thread...just the first post and page....but did anyone ever stop and think that danny garcia doesnt really care about his legacy?

im not a garcia fan..im indifferent to him....dont really care what he does.....but i dont hear danny garcia out here(that im aware of) complaining about his activity, who hes fighting or his money? danny garcia seems genuinely happy

not all fighters are concerned with some percieved "legacy"....even everyones idol golovkin isnt all that concerned or else he would have done things differently.....danny seems content

Yeah, I mean his dad pretty much exposed him. "Sometimes it's not about the glory, it's about the paper."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc08-DJki9M

[Curt Henning]

Yeah, I mean his dad pretty much exposed him. "Sometimes it's not about the glory, it's about the paper."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc08-DJki9M

glory fades and is fleeting...the welfare of your family doesnt even after you're dead.....its a sad reality

like i said...danny aint complaining...seems content...i know he has a little girl

[Pigeons]

What legacy?

Dude is in it to cash checks. I say that with zero condescension or malice. Once he go the title and took care of Matthyse, dude went into milk-the-title mode. Him, Stevenson and Andre Berto will forever be soft-touch legends.

Jokes on everyone else though, they're laughing all the way to the bank.

Lamont Peterson and Keith Thurman were joke fights? I'm not saying that it's enough in the 4 years since he fought Matthysse but I don't know how you can put him in the same category as Stevenson and Berto.