When was the last time the P4P lists were so weak?

[Robbie Barrett]

Looking through the P4P lists and it looks so damn weak. Sure you have potential great fighters like Loma. But nobody that actually has great wins.

[redmish]

The P4P list has changed a lot recently post mayweather, ward, cotto, pacquiao etc, so most people on there haven't been around too long. There's still some outstanding fighters on there and some will cement they're place while others will fall away, but it just takes time and hopefully the right fights get made to sort it out.

[W1LL]

Gennady Golovkin and Vasyl Lomachenko are the two who stand out for me. Saul Alvarez is hurt by cherry picking and never cleaning out a division. Keith Thurman doesn't want to fight Errol Spence Jr. or Terence Crawford. Jorge Linares has to be up there too but isn't "great", just "good". Who else is there? Oleksandr Usyk after the WBSS.

[ELHITMAN606]

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Gennady Golovkin and Vasyl Lomachenko are the two who stand out for me. Saul Alvarez is hurt by cherry picking and never cleaning out a division. Keith Thurman doesn't want to fight Errol Spence Jr. or Terence Crawford. Jorge Linares has to be up there too but isn't "great", just "good". Who else is there? Oleksandr Usyk after the WBSS.

Linares isn't P4P worthy

[Madison Boxing]

its a new era and an exciting time for boxing. Should see some superstars emerge soon

[W1LL]

Linares isn't P4P worthy

He is a four-time, three-weight World champion. Also currently holds the Lineal/RING Lightweight title. Holding titles in multiple divisions is the definition of a P4P fighter. These days the lists consist of one weight champions.

[A.K]

Loma ggg Spence Crawford Mikey all A1 talent, the rest have a slight drop off like canelo, aj, thurman, kovalev and whoever people think should be the 10th but it ain’t a bad list at all.

[chrisJS]

I think it's a transitional phase right now. The great fighters (Marquez, Mayweather, Hopkins, Pacquaio, Chocolatito, Jones, Toney etc and the very good ones (Cotto, Mosley, Wladimir, Ward etc have not long since either retired or are out of pound for pound relevancy and was a different generation for the most part.

For the most part the generations didn't really mix with the next one on a consistent basis and all the political and promotional divides are bigger than ever so it's been hard for the current generation to get great scalps. Also, I think the talent pool is taking some turns like more elite level sub 118 guys than previous (so go unrecognized over here) hence why so many lost their **** at Chocolatito getting recognition when if you followed boxing closely you'll have known for years he was mad underrated and doing great things.

Perhaps we have to give more merit to certain fights and not just look at the names because that can be misleading. For example when De La Hoya beat Chavez and Whitaker (sort of a gift) he didn't really get a ton of credit despite both being the two best fighters of the post-Leonard era but in this generation Mayweather got more credit for defeating Mosley who was nowhere near the level they were as fighters and much further removed from his prime than they were. I think the name value carries more weight these days and it's not always correctly so.

Perhaps it's better to judge when the era's are complete. For example Hatton and even Judah popped up on lists in 2006 and I think there's 10-15 fighters better than both of those now. Jermain Taylor is another one too.

Also, hard to define a "great win". Is it a win over a great fighter in his prime? If that's the case few even in modern memory can claim that (Pacquaio, Marquez, Barrera, Morales, Hopkins, Jones but it's a stretch after that) or is it relevant to what the match meant at that time for example Calzaghe-Lacy, Calzaghe-Kessler, Trinidad-Vargas, Mayweather-Corrales, Mosley-Margarito wins where the loser ended up to be not great but still great wins for the victors (Lacy and Margarito ended up as just good, the other three very good but nowhere near great).

If it's as simple as todays guys suck compared to guys from ___ well, I'd say how is that measured and perhaps judge them at the end of an era as greatness is defined at the peak or end of a career and a lot of the current guys we don't know are peak yet.

[iNixus]

Crawford should be #1 then loma and GGG its a solid top 3 imo

[them_apples]

The only standout for me is loma but he has no competition to test his merit. He has to go up in weight again. His true weight should be 126 or 130 tops.

Spence seems like a talent but once again barely fights or everyone ducks him.

Both GGG and Canelo live in glass houses. Crawford hasn't beat anyone good to be talked about as much as he is.

But in my opinion it's a pretty garbage list.

147 lb division (and every other division) would get slaughtered by its predecessors in just about any era since the marquee of the queensbury.

Come on the GGG vs Canelo superfight - do you really gives those guys a shot at beating any other half decent mw throughout time?