Lara, Angulo, Kirkland were "Middleweights" before CANELO....

[icha]

What weight class would those weights fall in? Remember, the WBC said "Every fight falls in a particular class"

it doesnt matter, they are still cw fights, jmw fighters do their cws above 154, that doesnt mean they are legit mws... check boxrec most of them have a history of fights above the limit, but i dont see anyone complaining and calling them legit mws..

[GGG Gloveking]

it doesnt matter, they are still cw fights, jmw fighters do their cws above 154, that doesnt mean they are legit mws... check boxrec most of them have a history of fights above the limit, but i dont see anyone complaining and calling them legit mws..

It's ok if youndont want to answer the question. Doesn't seem like anyone really does. And I'll ask you just like nofknclue, if Canelo hasn't been a legit MW, has he even been a "legit" boxer for these past few years?

[GGG Gloveking]

it doesnt matter, they are still cw fights, jmw fighters do their cws above 154, that doesnt mean they are legit mws... check boxrec most of them have a history of fights above the limit, but i dont see anyone complaining and calling them legit mws..

Hopefully this helps:

This is what WBC says on the matter:

Every fight is scheduled to a certain weight category ...

There are 2 scenarios in which catch weight fights have been scheduled

A-. World title fight scheduled to x division in which the fighters agree to have a limit of how much they can weight . For example a fight scheduled at welterweight which the limit is 147 lbs. and the fighters agree on weighing 144 maximum. For boxing regulation the fight is within the 147 category, so it is an official welterweight fight.

http://wbcboxing.com/wbceng/news/4789-boxing-weight-categories-and-catch-weight-fights

[icha]

Hopefully this helps:

so you wanted me to say that the jmw fighters do their catchweights at mw... i have no problem saying that, you shouldnt also have a problem saying that "that doesnt make them mw fighters"...

[TheBigLug]

If you're fighting at 155, you're technically fighting as a Middleweight because it falls in that division. It's like saying if two welterweights weigh in at 146, it's not a true welterweight fight. obviously it is.

Canelo simply couldn't make light-middleweight anymore but didn't want to make the step up to 160 for a while, which is quite poor really, but he was the A-side and took advantage of it. It was obvious they didn't want to fight GGG earlier than they did. Even Canelo-weight was killing him but he would make it to avoid 160.

De La Hoya was saying Canelo's body isn't ready for middleweight, but then straight after he said that his body was ok to fight at 164 v Chavez but not 160 for GGG?... of course, because Chavez is a bum. His body "adjusting" to 160 was never an issue, fighting GGG earlier was.

Canelo had been a middleweight for a good 18 months or so, but they did anything to not fight GGG until they were essentially backed into a corner and had no more excuses regarding weight and other thing, and wanted to see GGG fading.

I do believe at one point Canelo was adjusting to moving up, but the 12-18 months before the GGG fight was simply about avoiding him. And after all that, they still had to get gift draw.

[j0zef]

You have reached a new level of idiocy. Congratulations.

[GGG Gloveking]

so you wanted me to say that the jmw fighters do their catchweights at mw... i have no problem saying that, you shouldnt also have a problem saying that "that doesnt make them mw fighters"...

How does fighting official middleweight fights, and even becoming a middleweight champion, make a boxer anything but a middleweight?

I'm asking you to say fights within the middleweight range are middleweight fights. Youre asking me to say fighters that fight in the middleweight division are not middleweight. See the difference?

[icha]

How does fighting official middleweight fights, and even becoming a middleweight champion, make a boxer anything but a middleweight?

I'm asking you to say fights within the middleweight range are middleweight fights. Youre asking me to say fighters that fight in the middleweight division are not middleweight. See the difference?

so is ggg a smw??? he fought above 160 before...

[GGG Gloveking]

so is ggg a smw??? he fought above 160 before...

For that fight or those fights (what was it, 2 or 3 at the beginning of his career), yes he was a SMW. And when you fight in a division for years, then what division fighter are you?

We're not talking about a one-off fight here with Canelo. We're talking about several fights over several years taking place in the middleweight division. If anything, his fight with Smith was the one-off fight from his middleweight fights.

Like I told Troll Mask Productions, 161 is SMW, just like 164 against Chavez Jr was

[icha]

For that fight or those fights (what was it, 2 or 3 at the beginning of his career), yes he was a SMW. And when you fight in a division for years, then what division fighter are you?

We're not talking about a one-off fight here with Canelo. We're talking about several fights over several years taking place in the middleweight division. If anything, his fight with Smith was the one-off fight from his middleweight fights.

Like I told Troll Mask Productions, 161 is SMW, just like 164 against Chavez Jr was

we are talking 1 pound dont be ridiculous, canelo was still a jmw champ in 2017... and he isnt the only one, theres plenty of jmw fighters with multiple fights above 154, but they dont fight vs mws, they fight cw fights vs fellow jmws... you guys need to learn the difference between fighting at a cw and moving up a to a new division.. a fight 1 lb above the limit with no titles at stake doesnt really affect anybody , unless you are a dense fanboy...