Lara, Angulo, Kirkland were "Middleweights" before CANELO....

[Lester Tutor]

It surprises me how many Canelo haters think that "Canelo" was a Middleweight. A catchweight is simply middle ground between classes. If Canelo were fighting Middleweights he would've requested Arum style middle ground where Nelo would ask for 157 against ranked Middleweights.

This would mean that Gennady Golovkin's fights against Dziarra and Amari at a 161-161.5 weigh is "technically" Super Middleweight back in 2008? Thats what the Nelo haters are suggesting? Cause many suggest Canelo at 155 was "Middleweight."

Let's review Canelo's opponents before they met.

aboutfkntime

LARA's 155+ fights...

158 - Lara vs Maslov
154.5 - Lara vs Gross
155 - Lara vs Gray
155 - Lara vs Boone
155 - Lara vs Varela
155.5 - Lara vs Perez
156.5 - Lara vs Correa
155 - Lara vs Perez
156.5 - Lara vs Hearns
154.5 - Lara vs Hernandez
155 - Lara vs Alvarez


KIRKLAND's 155+ fights...

163 - Kirkland vs Castillo
159 - Kirkland vs Estrada
155 - Kirkland vs Toribio
155 - Kirkland vs Lyell
155.7 - Kirkland vs Duran
154.5 - Kirkland Said Salem
157 - Kirkland vs Cortes
156 - Kirkland vs Vera
162.5 - Kirkland vs Gibbs
163.5 - Kirkland vs Berrio
158 - Kirkland vs Ishida
160 - Kirkland vs Sharpe
157.5 - Kirkland vs Hloros
155.4 - Kirkland vs Tapia
155 - Kirkland vs Alvarez

ANGULO's 155+ fights...

156.5 - Angulo vs Padron
157.5 - Angulo vs Taylor
158 - Angulo vs Stanislajevic
157 - Angulo vs Mada
156 - Angulo vs Gonzalez
155 - Angulo vs Rosado
154.5 - Angulo vs Silva
154.5 - Angulo vs Alvarez
162 - Angulo vs Rosa
162 - Angulo vs Raines
163 - Angulo vs Munoz
164.5 - Angulo vs Hernandez

[GGG Gloveking]

Yes, 161.5 is SMW, just like 164 against Chavez Jr was

[Lester Tutor]

Yes, 161.5 is SMW, just like 164 against Chavez Jr was

Lol. But you still don't understand catchweights.

JCC Jr. making 172 in LHW previous bouts from Nelo's 155 is an 8lb variance, hence 164. "....168 ez fomi."

[muslimer12]

Are you stuck in 2016

[Lester Tutor]

Are you stuck in 2016

What does that question have to do with Nelo''s opponents fighting above 155 years before he did?

You know the deal, can't mess with my boy, Black-Nelo 2.0 is here to stay!

[boliodogs]

As long as no world titles are involved catch weight fights are OK with me. I just think all title fights should be fought at the standard weight limit for that weight class, no more no less. When Canelo fought at a weight limit of 155 no title was at stake so he did nothing wrong. As you say Lara, Kirkland and Angulo were as heavy or heavier than Canelo so he had no advantage weight wise at all.No world title was at stake when he fought Chavez and they fought at a middle ground catchweight they both agreed to so nothing wrong with that. Canelo is a very popular and successful boxer so he will get criticism from some even when he deserves none. He will always be in the spot light and everything he does will be criticized by some.

[Lester Tutor]

As long as no world titles are involved catch weight fights are OK with me. I just think all title fights should be fought at the standard weight limit for that weight class, no more no less. When Canelo fought at a weight limit of 155 no title was at stake so he did nothing wrong. As you say Lara, Kirkland and Angulo were as heavy or heavier than Canelo so he had no advantage weight wise at all.No world title was at stake when he fought Chavez and they fought at a middle ground catchweight they both agreed to so nothing wrong with that. Canelo is a very popular and successful boxer so he will get criticism from some even when he deserves none. He will always be in the spot light and everything he does will be criticized by some.

Pac and his legacy of authentic catchweights doe...

[GGG Gloveking]

Lol. But you still don't understand catchweights.

JCC Jr. making 172 in LHW previous bouts from Nelo's 155 is an 8lb variance, hence 164. "....168 ez fomi."

Seemingly you don't understand weight classes

[Lester Tutor]

Seemingly you don't understand weight classes

Really? So Nelo fighting Lara shouldve been a 154.5 catch right? In the middle? Cause Lara fought at 158 way long ago...

[aboutfkntime]

It surprises me how many Canelo haters think that "Canelo" was a Middleweight. A catchweight is simply middle ground between classes. If Canelo were fighting Middleweights he would've requested Arum style middle ground where Nelo would ask for 157 against ranked Middleweights.

This would mean that Gennady Golovkin's fights against Dziarra and Amari at a 161-161.5 weigh is "technically" Super Middleweight back in 2008? Thats what the Nelo haters are suggesting? Cause many suggest Canelo at 155 was "Middleweight."

Let's review Canelo's opponents before they met.

aboutfkntime

158 - Lara vs Maslov
154.5 - Lara vs Gross
155 - Lara vs Gray
155 - Lara vs Boone
155 - Lara vs Varela
155.5 - Lara vs Perez
156.5 - Lara vs Correa
155 - Lara vs Perez
156.5 - Lara vs Hearns
154.5 - Lara vs Hernandez
155 - Lara vs Alvarez


163 - Kirkland vs Castillo
159 - Kirkland vs Estrada
155 - Kirkland vs Toribio
155 - Kirkland vs Lyell
155.7 - Kirkland vs Duran
154.5 - Kirkland Said Salem
157 - Kirkland vs Cortes
156 - Kirkland vs Vera
162.5 - Kirkland vs Gibbs
163.5 - Kirkland vs Berrio
158 - Kirkland vs Ishida
160 - Kirkland vs Sharpe
157.5 - Kirkland vs Hloros
155.4 - Kirkland vs Tapia
155 - Kirkland vs Alvarez

156.5 - Angulo vs Padron
157.5 - Angulo vs Taylor
158 - Angulo vs Stanislajevic
157 - Angulo vs Mada
156 - Angulo vs Gonzalez
155 - Angulo vs Rosado
154.5 - Angulo vs Silva
154.5 - Angulo vs Alvarez
162 - Angulo vs Rosa
162 - Angulo vs Raines
163 - Angulo vs Munoz
164.5 - Angulo vs Hernandez

bro, I will not spend too much time in this thread, because this subject is also being "discussed" on two other threads

the subject..... is utter ******ity, and is only being pushed by a handful of try-hard Golovkin fanboys..... Shape Up, kafkod, and a few others

this is a breakdown of the ENTIRE argument.....



The Cause:
the failed negotiations between Canelo/Golovkin in 2016

1) Golovkin ran around for FIVE YEARS saying that he can beat "anyone from 154-168", he even specifically promised to fight Canelo at 154.....

Golovkin Would Fight Ward at 168 and Canelo at 154.....
http://thaboxingvoice.com/golovkin-a...4/15398?var=no

2) Canelo..... being an entitled diva who was prepared to exploit his position, and his understanding of the sport..... demanded that fight at 155

3) Golovkin..... being full-of-shht, and not wanting to have his hype-train derailed, totally refused..... he offered Rosado/Brook a catchweight, but totally refused to negotiate on weight with Cotto and Canelo..... bizarrely, Golovkin then stated that he is willing and able to fight at 154, but nobody will step up

4) Golovkin's idiot fanbase, in their wisdom..... rather than calling out Golovkin for his lies, inconsistencies, and bizarre refusal to negotiate on weight with superstars despite the fact that he was willing to negotiate on weight with no-hopers..... decided to re-label 155 Canelo as a middleweight, in an effort to remove the egg from both of Golovkin's face's



The killer:
when Canelo fought Liam Smith at 154 to win the WBO JMW title, that "Canelo is a middleweight" nonsense should have stopped there and then..... anyone with half-a-brain should have realized that referring to Canelo as a middleweight was try-hard fanboy rubbish..... but, some did not



The bottom line:

FACT: anyone who thinks that Cotto was a genuine middleweight..... is "special"

FACT: anyone who refers to a fighter who has never weighed more than 155, as a genuine middleweight..... is even more "special"

the Golovkin krewe just looooove calling me a hater, which is just another excuse-making label, like "middleweight" was..... but they really have tagged/bagged themselves by peddling that rubbish

can you say..... dumbass casual fan ? lol



FACT: a genuine middleweight does TWO things..... he prepares to weigh-in at 160, in order to fight a middleweight opponent.....

well, Canelo had never done either of those things until he fought Golovkin..... which makes casual fans as dumb as a rock