Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Mayweather-Leonard, Lomachenko, More

[ShoulderRoll]

I've love how he went in on the guy for saying Lomachenko is better than Floyd. Completely roasted him.

[Butch.McRae]

I enjoy reading Bread's response every time but there are things I don't agree on this post. Loads of them.

I don' buy the last analysis on Floyd, Hearns, Duran and Leonard. Floyd doesn't beat fighters by taking away their stamina, breaking down their body... He beats them mentally by making them miss such a sure target punch at perfect range. Nothing is more frustrating than that which makes them think more and more as the fight proceeds, reducing their punch output drastically.

Again, Floyd does not just do better at the second half of fights, actually it starts from round 4. By round 3 there are already signs it is over for the opponent and by round 4 a huge margin begins except for very few opponents who had moments here and there.

Comparing Maidana, Castilo or any other fighter's performance to Floyd with that of Duran, Hearns, Leonard is crazy. They are humans not pre-programmed robots. Floyd beats Duran and Hearns, power or no power. Only Leonard I see giving Floyd problem, maybe winning but that will be tough for both fighters due to their skill level and styles.

The part of Davis being a threat to Loma. I don't buy that either. All that power punch Davis has will go to waste if he can't throw it because of Loma's insane footwork. Maybe in a few years but not right now.

As for GGG being the best fighter on the ropes in the last 5 years, it all comes down to power and level of opponents. Those guys were not slipping, sliding and coutering off the ropes, they stood there and covered up in fear. For GGG it was like hitting a punching bag, so ofcourse he looked great.

The guys GGG is fighting now are not even amazing skilled fighters either, Kell Brook is/was not the man at welterweight, Jacobs is good but not great. Canelo is good but c'mon, can anyone say he is a great fighter compared to the altime greats of the past using the eye test? He wins fights and he is loved which plays into his ranking, the same was used on De La Hoya during his reign.

P4P and Prime to Prime. Look at our previous guys, Pacquaio, Floyd, Ward, Rigo do you see Canelo or GGG beating those guys? What about current guys - Loma, Crawford, maybe even Spence? The answer is No.

Not knocking much of what you said, but theres no doubt in my mind that Hearns would beat Floyd. He would've been a much tougher fight than Leonard for Mayweather imo. There's absolutely no evidence that any fighter could "outbox" a prime Tommy Hearns. I've never seen it happen on film. You had to get him out of there. The only fight he lost (by KO) to Sugar, he was way up on every card; he could've coasted to a decision that night. Im not buying Floyd could've pulled a decision off. We've never seen Floyd fight a guy with Hearns quality. But I guess the same could be said for Hearns fighting a guy like Floyd who gives you so few chances. Still not buying it lol

[Sledgeweather17]

Fanboy? You do realize this "writer" is the trainer of J-Rock Willians right? (Who also has ring experience) He also just chose Derrick James as Trainer of the year after suffering a tough loss to him head-to-head this year. If that's not objective idk what is.

His write-ups are solid work and probably the best thing this site has going. Despite "punch stats" I think we all can agree GGG wasn't landing much solid work in that fight. (And I picked him to win by stoppage.) The only person being a "fanboy" is you.

The Charlo that beat Jrock is trained by Ronnie Shields, not Dereck James.

[Butch.McRae]

The Charlo that beat Jrock is trained by Ronnie Shields, not Dereck James.

You're right my bad. He's still been somewhat critical of those camps in the past, so I respect his opinion, if he thinks that guy is trainer of the year.

[kafkod]

On the BJS and PEDs question:

Breadman is not as familiar with the UK scene as he is with the US, so maybe he doesn't know how bad BJS's diet, lifestyle and training discipline was before he relocated to Sheffield to link up with Dominic Ingle at the Wincobank gym, or just how good the Wincobank "fight factory" now is at whipping boxers into the best possible fighting shape.

Dominic Ingle is a strict "old school" disciplinarian - a quality he inherited from his father, Brendon - and also one of the most progressive, scientifically aware young trainers in the game - a formidable combination.

All the Wincobank fighters work closely with the English Institute of Sports, based at Sheffield Hallam University, which is one of the most scientifically advanced sports facilities in the world.

[ShoulderRoll]

On the BJS and PEDs question:

Breadman is not as familiar with the UK scene as he is with the US, so maybe he doesn't know how bad BJS's diet, lifestyle and training discipline was before he relocated to Sheffield to link up with Dominic Ingle at the Wincobank gym, or just how good the Wincobank "fight factory" now is at whipping boxers into the best possible fighting shape.

Dominic Ingle is a strict "old school" disciplinarian - a quality he inherited from his father, Brendon - and also one of the most progressive, scientifically aware young trainers in the game - a formidable combination.

All the Wincobank fighters work closely with the English Institute of Sports, based at Sheffield Hallam University, which is one of the most scientifically advanced sports facilities in the world.

The Ingle gym is also suspected of PED use.

[mvooom]

Not knocking much of what you said, but theres no doubt in my mind that Hearns would beat Floyd. He would've been a much tougher fight than Leonard for Mayweather imo. There's absolutely no evidence that any fighter could "outbox" a prime Tommy Hearns. I've never seen it happen on film. You had to get him out of there. The only fight he lost (by KO) to Sugar, he was way up on every card; he could've coasted to a decision that night. Im not buying Floyd could've pulled a decision off. We've never seen Floyd fight a guy with Hearns quality. But I guess the same could be said for Hearns fighting a guy like Floyd who gives you so few chances. Still not buying it lol

Sure, in boxing anything is possible.

Mosley who is not known for big power or a killer KO artist has come the closest to knocking Floyd flat out. Even worse, he did it with a repeated technique he tried several times in the fight against a guy like Floyd who easily spots such.

I still doubt Hearns beats Floyd but we will never know for sure.

[Butch.McRae]

On the BJS and PEDs question:

Breadman is not as familiar with the UK scene as he is with the US, so maybe he doesn't know how bad BJS's diet, lifestyle and training discipline was before he relocated to Sheffield to link up with Dominic Ingle at the Wincobank gym, or just how good the Wincobank "fight factory" now is at whipping boxers into the best possible fighting shape.

Dominic Ingle is a strict "old school" disciplinarian - a quality he inherited from his father, Brendon - and also one of the most progressive, scientifically aware young trainers in the game - a formidable combination.

All the Wincobank fighters work closely with the English Institute of Sports, based at Sheffield Hallam University, which is one of the most scientifically advanced sports facilities in the world.

I'll add a motivated BJS beat Eubanks Jr. in a close scrap. That's no small feat.

His performance didn't blow me away. He looked like himself when in shape. I'm surprised more people didnt expect it against a guy like Lemieux.

[Boxtradamus]

GREAT info

[Sledgeweather17]

I enjoy reading Bread's response every time but there are things I don't agree on this post. Loads of them.

I don' buy the last analysis on Floyd, Hearns, Duran and Leonard. Floyd doesn't beat fighters by taking away their stamina, breaking down their body... He beats them mentally by making them miss such a sure target punch at perfect range. Nothing is more frustrating than that which makes them think more and more as the fight proceeds, reducing their punch output drastically.

Again, Floyd does not just do better at the second half of fights, actually it starts from round 4. By round 3 there are already signs it is over for the opponent and by round 4 a huge margin begins except for very few opponents who had moments here and there.

Comparing Maidana, Castilo or any other fighter's performance to Floyd with that of Duran, Hearns, Leonard is crazy. They are humans not pre-programmed robots. Floyd beats Duran and Hearns, power or no power. Only Leonard I see giving Floyd problem, maybe winning but that will be tough for both fighters due to their skill level and styles.

The part of Davis being a threat to Loma. I don't buy that either. All that power punch Davis has will go to waste if he can't throw it because of Loma's insane footwork. Maybe in a few years but not right now.

As for GGG being the best fighter on the ropes in the last 5 years, it all comes down to power and level of opponents. Those guys were not slipping, sliding and coutering off the ropes, they stood there and covered up in fear. For GGG it was like hitting a punching bag, so ofcourse he looked great.

The guys GGG is fighting now are not even amazing skilled fighters either, Kell Brook is/was not the man at welterweight, Jacobs is good but not great. Canelo is good but c'mon, can anyone say he is a great fighter compared to the altime greats of the past using the eye test? He wins fights and he is loved which plays into his ranking, the same was used on De La Hoya during his reign.

P4P and Prime to Prime. Look at our previous guys, Pacquaio, Floyd, Ward, Rigo do you see Canelo or GGG beating those guys? What about current guys - Loma, Crawford, maybe even Spence? The answer is No.

Bro the thing I hate the most about mythical match-ups involving Floyd is that they are all pointless.

Floyd's best attribute is his ability to take away the best attritbutes of his opponents.

So it doesn't matter if you say Sugar Ray has Length, height, reach, combo speed, power, etc etc over Floyd when Floyd is just gonna go in there and take all of that away from Sugar Ray.

The only way to know for sure is if they duke it out in the ring because all the analyses you can come up with is pointless when someone has that troll ability that Floyd does.