Comments Thread For: Bernstein: Beating Loma Was an Impossible Ask of Rigondeaux

[kushking]

If he likes only white fighters I see nothing wrong with that, or if he doesn't like black fighters then it's not a problem. That's his choice and he has every right no matter what. I used to be criticized for being just pro black and many thought I was black, as if to say if you enjoy watching the NBA and you are a Filipino poster then surely you müst be black...

Boxing has to have racism because it's too simplified by design, and it gets misinterpreted like action figures.

When you actually hit the gym and improve on the bag and aspire to do things, then ideally you appreciate all those involved in the sport. This is why I mainly punk the politics of it which is perfect for debate on a forum.

Fans should only focus on stats and styles, just like other metrics in other sports. In basketball you can have a legion of talk just on free throws alone by the thousands of players involved. The race baiters on the site are microscopic to the real world. Look at YouTube comments on racial opinions. They make this site more golden.

I only wrote that because this guy has made it CLEAR he HATES most fighters for bs reasons & dsucks others that have those supposed reasons in common. I understand what you mean,but this guy makes it so blatantly obvious why he trolls RACE/ethnicity/phony patriotism,theres LITERALLY no other possible explanation for many things he says including about certain ethnicity's.

[TheClap]

No and I would not have posted this in such a situation as 140-160. You take it as a linear equation, which I never implied. I posted this only for this specific fight weight difference. In this case an almost negligible 6%

That being said, in your example, I am sure any decent 140 fighter would do much better than bltch out and quit like Rigo did. So no Bob, you are wrong to generalize my post and especially wrong to use the math in a linear manner.

If boxing was as easy as your percentages I'm sure you would be world champion. Moron.

[jmrf4435]

no al

it wasn't

[Lester Tutor]

I only wrote that because this guy has made it CLEAR he HATES most fighters for bs reasons & dsucks others that have those supposed reasons in common. I understand what you mean,but this guy makes it so blatantly obvious why he trolls RACE/ethnicity/phony patriotism,theres LITERALLY no other possible explanation for many things he says including about certain ethnicity's.

I feel you bro. It gets annoying and yes there's obvious pandering involved. Again, that's all because boxing is limited in design and from every country involved, most boxers come from unprivileged circumstances. Be it Kova or a black guy from Brownsville....

It's just simply impossible to fight the race baiting. In fact a lot of it can come from joking and troll intentions because that's the magic behind synonymousity. It's hard to know who is real...

For example, if I like Nelo, aka Black-Nelo 2.0, who is the same skin color if not lighter than Lil'G. I've been in fights before, lost some, have been in rumbles too..as did Lil'G...but seeing how big Lil'G is compared to Hagler then I'm sorry, Lil'G is the biggest pussssie in boxing to never have wanted Ward.

[kushking]

To be fair Loma didnt even use his size advantage to beat Rig. down... Rig. Looked old. These lighter weight classes dont age well. Look what happened to Chocolato and Donaire?? I think Rig. Lost a step and thats the worse thing for the smaller guys to lose.

1 simple fact should decide this 1,rigos a 2x bantamweight gold medal winner,lomas a 2x fw gold medal winner. Then another factor is that Lomas only loss was vs salido who was way bigger than rigo.Rigo is a talented Lara mini but Loma by 1 sided win. I don't expect it to be close, he's just too big. Ima be watching way more tape before I bet on bovada though,as I do think rigos style is better,I just don't see how he will cancel lomas size,I need to rewatch rigos fights esp.

Lomas expected to win because he has every conceivable advantage to win. So only a truly racist like kigali would start crying about rigo losing because of race. On paper its a solid win for loma & beyond solid if rigo pulls it out. Theres too many clowns crying racism around here who are Ironically white(im not necessarily referring to you). Loma should win on paper though.

The biggest racists on this site are white guys who only support white fighters with a few black uk based fighters to hide it.

I have no dog in this fight.

This fight is being way too overhyped,but my prediction is that loma will win an easy victory as he's just too big,too young for Rigo.

Im far from a rigo fan,but I will only give loma moderate credit for a fight he has every advantage in. Until he actually starts fighting guys like garcia,berchelt etc. Aka guys his own size who aren't being dragged up in weight after horrible losses or inactivity,then hes far from this p4p #1 fighter his fanbois are making him out to be. He fought as a 132 lber in olympics but hes been feasting off fw's.

If lomachenko wins (which I do think he will), he will get ranked#1 p4p by the media as they've been dreaming of from day 1 along with Arum. I think Lomas an extremely talented fighter as I do think with countless other fighters of elite skills,but his pro resume is being extremely overrated when being compared with other fighters. Take keith Thurman for example his resume is far better than lomachenkos resume yet you never hear all this nonsense about him being p4p #1. Thats not even counting Canelo & Ggg both at this point have better resumes than him,ggg just loses points because of his age of finally facing good opponents. Crawford is another fighter with a better resume than loma.

I said all these qoutes before the fight & reposted them to prove to people im not someone doing what they claim of downplaying lomas win because my guy supposedly lost. I've NEVER been a fan of rigo because his boring style(though I think its very skilled style) I said that rigo was too inactive & old COMBINED with jumping 2 divisions,but that inactivity is why I gave him ZERO chance, but I said I still gave Loma his credit just not nowhere near as much as if he kod garcia/berchelt/easter(obviously). I just don't think hes p4p top 3 YET,but I do consider him a top 10 p4p fighter.

Funny thing is that I get called a anti white racist because I unbiasedly say it when I think fighters like ggg/kov/loma are getting way too much credit for "easy" wins,from hypocrites who sh all over other fighters who have accomplished more ON PAPER.

[knotty150]

I compared this to Brook jumping 2 weight classes to fight GGG. People sorta gave him an odd chance based off GGG being relatively unproven, but it was the kinda fight where ALL the unproven variables needed to pan out in Brooks favour for him to even have a chance. We all saw what happened....

It was a similar case for Rigo except harder, given how Loma was more proven at the time, albeit his pro record has far fewer fights. As uneven as the fight was in hindsight, it was a fight well worth making. Rigo is of a certain tchnical style to negate weight difference (to a degree) and those who genuinely thought he could win I suppose anticipated a fight similar to the Donate fight. Loma however was just too good to NOT make the weight advantage count. I suspect that had Rigo been taking those sorts of half punches from someone his own size, he may very well have not quit.

What we all now should be very clear on, is that Loma has no competition until he steps up to fight the likes of Garcia etc. I suspect 2018 will be a very easy year for him whilst he gradually moves up towards the more competitive weight classes.

[Gillie]

The bottom line is one fighter clearly had more skills and tools, dominated the fight, and the other guy quit without a single broken bone or fight-ending injury.

Exactly. Nothing more, nothing less.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Biggest factor in this fight was age not weight. At the lower weight limits, you literally have to be in your physical prime to be elite. For example, if you look at the super bantamweight rankings from boxrec (http://boxrec.com/en/ratings?sex=M&d...eight&offset=0). Everyone in the top 15 is under 30.

Size and weight was definitely a factor, and to an even greater degree than I anticipated, but I agree that age may have played an even greater role in the outcome. Lomachenko may be better than Rigo if everything were perfectly equal — age, size, etc. But we’ll never know, because these guys played on an uneven field in more than one important aspect.

I imagine that the average age of posters on this site is fairly young (maybe about 25 years old), so they can’t appreciate the effects of age on an older athlete. I’m over fifty. And although I was never a professional athlete, much less an elite one, I’ve always been athletic. I can tell you that the difference between 29 (Lomo) and 37 (Rigo) is significant, and sometimes, depending on the person, drastic.

[Vlad_]

If boxing was as easy as your percentages I'm sure you would be world champion. Moron.

Sure I’m a moron. I guess your crybabies logic makes total sense.

P4P ranked top 10, two time Olympic Gold fighter made to look like total amateur noob and quits against other fighter ALL BECAUSE OTHER FIGHTER WAS 6% HEAVIER.

Makes total sense. Merry Christmas!

[Vlad_]

RED FOXX
I used to not get along with you,but I CAN VOUCH I've given you rep for exactly the reason you said to this moron: "because your willing to be honest & not act like a biased groupie hoe"(like "misanthropic"does).

The irony is this clown is the biggest pos joke on this entire site,he contradicts himself daily about everything so long as his fav fighters are involved which happen to be mostly ALL white/euros:Kovalev,Loma,Ggg,Saunders with a few others thrown in to seem otherwise.

You can do the math as to why he HATES Canelo,Crawford,Ward,Wilder,Rigo,Floyd,Spence,Mike y etc.etc. & uses millons of reasons as to why, but when his fav fighters do 10x as much the exact same thing he claims your a racist(against "whites") 4 pointing it out

Take loma for example fighting mostly midgets as I've been saying that hes talented but resumes overrated.

But This clown has 2 suck lomas balls daily & says your a racist hater if u don't suck them too. Ironically it was him crying for yrs about Canelo supposedly" fighting lil guys" who are all his size or bigger with few exceptions (kahn, early in career),he was crying that Ward is a cheat should be banned 4 life,then he defends ortiz for cheating again,he crys about"defensive AA's then slurps saundersballs for same thing.

But if you dont blindly hug his fav fighters balls alongside him hell label u "A RIGO LOVING RACIST WHITE MASTER HATEING BLACK/MESSICAN THAT TOOK HIS JAWB & needs to get out OF MERICA"

Bla bla bla bla bla you’re an insecure racist who tries to insult everyone out there and call em all racist...

Red K’d my post without even providing a single ****ing argument.

I guess your crybabies logic makes total sense.

P4P ranked top 10, two time Olympic Gold fighter made to look like total amateur noob and quits against other fighter ALL BECAUSE OTHER FIGHTER WAS 6% HEAVIER.

Makes total sense. Merry Christmas!