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  • sportbuddha
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    #61
    Originally posted by Lemonhead_Jeff
    Stivern won the title by beating Chris Arreola who was ranked in the top 3 by the WBC, just ahead of Deontay Wilder at the time. Arreola was also ranked in the top ten by the WBO & Ring Magazine at the time.
    I think he might have meant Wilder? Dark days though to be fair, the HW division at this time was deemed mostly obsolete by fans and experts, that’s much of the reason PAC and Mayweather built their names because the HW division was dead

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    • Quiksilva
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      #62
      I think this fight goes to a decision in favor of Joshua.

      I don't think Joshua knocks out Parker but he will win by decision.

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      • Lemonhead_Jeff
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        #63
        Originally posted by sportbuddha
        Stiverne is better than Parker based on what? Even a prime Stiverne would struggle to argue that, he had one world level fight against Arreola to win the belt. The rest of his record is atrocious.

        I'm well aware having a belt doesn't tell you much about their quality but my comment was directed at the inference that AJ is not fighting Parker for any reason but to pad his record. He is of course doing it for the money (and to unify the belts)...thats what all boxers do it for, it's their job, you can't call that greed, if anyone was offered more money for the same job they'd take it.

        Wilder was never going to fight Parker and it wouldn't have been worth it since neither has any pulling power at the box office and the money wouldn't have been good enough, because one of them would fade into obscurity straight afterwards. But my point on this is that Wilder should have been chasing that belt but he of course didn't because???... well the assumption has to be he only wants easy work, he isn't that confident, he doesn't back up the bravado
        Wilder, like many others, has been hindered by Haymon's style of mismanagement.

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        • Lemonhead_Jeff
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          #64
          Originally posted by sportbuddha
          I think he might have meant Wilder? Dark days though to be fair, the HW division at this time was deemed mostly obsolete by fans and experts, that’s much of the reason PAC and Mayweather built their names because the HW division was dead
          It's true, the division was relatively mediocre at the time, and Parker would probably have fit in well with that line-up. People began saying the heavyweight division was dead even before Nas said 'Hiphop is dead'. Neither was really dead, just not as exciting as they used to be.

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          • Flabble Scrote
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            #65
            Originally posted by Lemonhead_Jeff
            Parker is currently a 'belt holder', just like Charles Martin was once a 'belt holder'. Neither are going to be mentioned among the top heavyweights of their era. Former 'belt holder' Bermane Stiverne was arguably better (and more accomplished) than Parker. Being a belt holder doesn't mean what it used to. Parker, because he's not a complete fool, would prefer to fight the easiest opponent for the most money. Hence his eagerness to face Joshua. Parker knew who he wanted to fight when he saw Joshua go 'life and death' against old man Klitschko in front of a stadium full of fans.
            Lol, Martin didn't do **** , lucked out vs some Glazkov guy then gave his belt away and disappeared
            Parker is a multiple defence champ same as Joshua and Wilder.
            He's fought some solid competition.
            Hes not convinced much but he's got the wins.
            He's going to need to get that dynamism he showed vs Dimitrenko, be looked in much better shape then too. If he fights like his last couple he doesn't really have a proper chance, just how much of a beating he cops

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            • Throwingbombs
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              #66
              Stiverne is absolute garbage and is the best name on Wilders resume. He is the same level as Charles Martin, an out of shape paper champion that was their for the taking. The fact he is the only name on Wilders record speaks volumes.

              AJ has at least 4 better wins on his, Brezeale, Klitschko, Whyte, Takam and Parker will make that 5.

              The fact Wilder fans are having a go at the AJ-Parker fight is quite frankly astonishing giving the absolute dross list of opponents Wilder has served up as world title defences, he should be ashamed. Wilder has about 40fights now, FFS please fight a legit opponent you absolute FRAUD.

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              • JRB123
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                #67
                Originally posted by sportbuddha
                I agree, he’ll also grab the opportunity with both hands and come with everything. I think by the end of 18’ AJ has beaten Parker in a solid but not amazing showcase 12 rounder and has KO’d Wilder inside 6 rounds, changing the order of things to reflect that technically Parker is better than Wilder. I know Wilder has lot of lovers on this forum but I don’t think when (eventually) he gets tested he’ll come through.

                It’s even ridiculous wilder has got 40 fights and the marker we’re going to judge him on is fighting an old and fat Luiz who also hasn’t fought anyone...this is is not even a stay busy fight it’s his best opponent to date...crazy
                I doubt that he even fights Ortiz if there is a shred of doubt that Ortiz beats him. They want that money ticket with AJ and will avoid any possibility that the fight with Joshua gets derailed by fighting a threat. That's why the proposed date for Wilder-Ortiz seems fishy.

                The only way that I see that Parker lasts longer than Wilder is if Parker is able to take power shots better. I favor Wilder over Parker, though.

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                • Randall Cunning
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                  #68
                  Originally posted by JRB123
                  I doubt that he even fights Ortiz if there is a shred of doubt that Ortiz beats him. They want that money ticket with AJ and will avoid any possibility that the fight with Joshua gets derailed by fighting a threat. That's why the proposed date for Wilder-Ortiz seems fishy.
                  Yeah, Im wondering why is Whyte fighting Browne when the WBC could have ordered a final eliminator between Whyte and Breazeale. Something dont seem right.

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                  • JRB123
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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Lemonhead_Jeff
                    Stivern won the title by beating Chris Arreola who was ranked in the top 3 by the WBC, just ahead of Deontay Wilder at the time. Arreola was also ranked in the top ten by the WBO & Ring Magazine at the time.
                    I meant overall. Stiverne hadn't beaten an opponent in the top 10 by ratings boards like TBRB and Premier Boxing Organisation.



                    ^^^ this was before Stiverne-Arreola I. Below is after the 2nd fight when Stiverne won the vacant WBC title.



                    Arreola was not ranked in the top 10 there, and the Premier Boxing Organisation had Arreola ranked as high as 11th.

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                    • JRB123
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                      #70
                      Originally posted by Randall Cunning
                      Yeah, Im wondering why is Whyte fighting Browne when the WBC could have ordered a final eliminator between Whyte and Breazeale. Something dont seem right.
                      Browne said that the fight isn't happening but there seems to be a contract being made for it. With that being known, that opens the door for a Wilder-Breazeale fight. Ortiz is too much of a risk for Haymon and the Wilder camp.

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