Andre Ward did cheat against Sergey Kovaev, but why didn't Kovalev also cheat back?

[club fighter]

KOV was going down low blows or not, and yes, he should have came back the same way and let the ref handle it. Regardless, after that head shot Kov was toast.

Watching the clips though, I can't help but notice how much Ward blatantly holds and gets away with it. I'm from the Bay and have been to a couple of his fights and it didn't stand out then, but in the clips it almost looks like stand up MMA grappling.

[SonnyboyReturns]

#wardruinslives

[alexguiness]

The reason Kovalev did not 'cheat back' is because of white privilege....doe.

[soul_survivor]

Why are Sergey Kovalev supporters / fans / rooters complaining about Andre Ward cheating / fouling when Kovalev (presumably) could've also fouled in response to even the playing field? Like how Lomachenko did against Rigondeaux. Were there any particular things that were preventing him from fouling back?

My point is. If Ward was fouling Kovalev, Kovalev should've even the playing field by fouling back and then if Kovalev was truly the better boxer, he should've been able to win with the playing field being evened out.

Of course, I'm referring mainly to the rematch because I do believe Kovalev should've won the first bout but ended up not getting the judge's nod.

This isnt a question of "if" Ward cheated, he blatantly did. In fact, he was originally called by Weekes following the first low blow, which was marginal at best. When Kov complained on at least one instance about a far worse low blow, Weekes actually laughed. I assume someone had gotten in his ear in between rounds.

As for KOv, I agree, if a fighter is being dirty, you have to be dirty back. Was it because Kov is far too disciplined? Maybe. Was it because he seemed to lack motivation throughout the build up and the fight? Most likely.

Bottom line is, you have to fight fire with fire if the referee has been paid off by one side. Kovalev should have hit on the break, hit low and done all sorts. He didn't but that is not necessarily a bad thing. Kov maintained his integrity as a fighter while Ward will be remembered as a cheat.

[GrandmasterWang]

This isnt a question of "if" Ward cheated, he blatantly did. In fact, he was originally called by Weekes following the first low blow, which was marginal at best. When Kov complained on at least one instance about a far worse low blow, Weekes actually laughed. I assume someone had gotten in his ear in between rounds.

As for KOv, I agree, if a fighter is being dirty, you have to be dirty back. Was it because Kov is far too disciplined? Maybe. Was it because he seemed to lack motivation throughout the build up and the fight? Most likely.

Bottom line is, you have to fight fire with fire if the referee has been paid off by one side. Kovalev should have hit on the break, hit low and done all sorts. He didn't but that is not necessarily a bad thing. Kov maintained his integrity as a fighter while Ward will be remembered as a cheat.

This was a good post. In hindsight it would have been hilarious if Kovalev has just snapped and started trying to kick, elbow and headbutt Andre Ward after the 3rd or 4th blatant low blow.

Regarding 'inside' fighting, Hopkins has taught Ward well. Hopkins was no where as dirty as Ward though.

[soul_survivor]

This was a good post. In hindsight it would have been hilarious if Kovalev has just snapped and started trying to kick, elbow and headbutt Andre Ward after the 3rd or 4th blatant low blow.

Regarding 'inside' fighting, Hopkins has taught Ward well. Hopkins was no where as dirty as Ward though.

Lol yeah, as bad as Hopkins was, he was nowhere near as dirty as Ward.

[M Bison]

This isnt a question of "if" Ward cheated, he blatantly did. In fact, he was originally called by Weekes following the first low blow, which was marginal at best. When Kov complained on at least one instance about a far worse low blow, Weekes actually laughed. I assume someone had gotten in his ear in between rounds.

As for KOv, I agree, if a fighter is being dirty, you have to be dirty back. Was it because Kov is far too disciplined? Maybe. Was it because he seemed to lack motivation throughout the build up and the fight? Most likely.

Bottom line is, you have to fight fire with fire if the referee has been paid off by one side. Kovalev should have hit on the break, hit low and done all sorts. He didn't but that is not necessarily a bad thing. Kov maintained his integrity as a fighter while Ward will be remembered as a cheat.

What a sad state boxing is in If we really have to have a conversation about these type of things.
A referees job really isn't that hard of a thing to do, follow the two guys around the ring and monitor what is going on for 36 minutes, the rules are pretty damn simple to follow as well so there can be no confusing it.

Yet people like Weeks get called top referees and they just call it an off night, a good referee NEVER has an off night, you can make marginal little mistakes, but not the same one over and over and over again when its right there point blank for you to see.

[soul_survivor]

What a sad state boxing is in If we really have to have a conversation about these type of things.
A referees job really isn't that hard of a thing to do, follow the two guys around the ring and monitor what is going on for 36 minutes, the rules are pretty damn simple to follow as well so there can be no confusing it.

Yet people like Weeks get called top referees and they just call it an off night, a good referee NEVER has an off night, you can make marginal little mistakes, but not the same one over and over and over again when its right there point blank for you to see.

Exactly and the sad part is that I thought Weekes was a good ref, started off well by talkin to ward after the first low blow and then...somebody in between rounds spoke to him without a doubt.

Punches which were much worse than that first blow and Weeks laughed them off. I could not believe it.

[Mr Objecitivity]

This isnt a question of "if" Ward cheated, he blatantly did. In fact, he was originally called by Weekes following the first low blow, which was marginal at best. When Kov complained on at least one instance about a far worse low blow, Weekes actually laughed. I assume someone had gotten in his ear in between rounds.

As for KOv, I agree, if a fighter is being dirty, you have to be dirty back. Was it because Kov is far too disciplined? Maybe. Was it because he seemed to lack motivation throughout the build up and the fight? Most likely.

Bottom line is, you have to fight fire with fire if the referee has been paid off by one side. Kovalev should have hit on the break, hit low and done all sorts. He didn't but that is not necessarily a bad thing. Kov maintained his integrity as a fighter while Ward will be remembered as a cheat.

Oh no I agree. Ward definitely fouled. There isn't any dispute about that from me. My point was that in any scenario where a boxer is fouled and has the playing field stacked against himself unfairly. It is the job of that boxer to foul back to even up the playing field and if that boxer doesn't do so and ends up losing, despite being fouled multiple times and despite knowing his opponent is a fouler prior to the bout, then he has to be blamed for the defeat, just as much as his opponent.

So I'm calling out Kovalev fans that aren't being critical of Kovalev to be critical of him. It's not correct to complain that Kovalev lost unfairly because he was fouled since he should've evened the playing field by fouling in retaliation.

[Zaroku]

Why are Sergey Kovalev supporters / fans / rooters complaining about Andre Ward cheating / fouling when Kovalev (presumably) could've also fouled in response to even the playing field? Like how Lomachenko did against Rigondeaux. Were there any particular things that were preventing him from fouling back?

My point is. If Ward was fouling Kovalev, Kovalev should've even the playing field by fouling back and then if Kovalev was truly the better boxer, he should've been able to win with the playing field being evened out.

Of course, I'm referring mainly to the rematch because I do believe Kovalev should've won the first bout but ended up not getting the judge's nod.

You posting all kinds of threads? Who da **** are you?