Comments Thread For: Tyson Fury: After That Win, Saunders is in Top Ten Pound-For-Pound

[aboutfkntime]

G beats Lemieux and he just beat a top MW easily and proves he is top 5 p4p. Saunders beats Lemieux easily and he isn't even close to being a top 10 p4p. All because idiots believe the hype sites like this and espn get paid to spew out. There used to be about five stories on G every day. Until he fought someone with a pulse (Jacobs). Saunders could beat Canelo or G. But he doesn't ko the bum of the month like G did, but just puts on a boxing clinic. So the idiots who know nothing about boxing get on here and say G is one of the best ever. He's not even the best today. Saunders is good, but I still wouldn't put him in top 10 p4p, for the simple reason that Lemieux is his best win. It didn't fool me into believing G was Superman when he beat Lemieux and Saunders performance, while impressive, still came against a guy who is a step or two below gatekeeper status.

pretty good post

seriously, I hate these fkn threads

just addressing some earlier comments first.....

P4P is horribly over-rated, plenty of P4P fighters lost to guys who were not ranked P4P

you do not become P4P by beating a P4P fighter, that logic is horribly flawed..... there are many reasons why that loss may have occurred, most of them will not be P4P qualification criteria

P4P is mostly due to style, which is why skilled boxers have an advantage..... their style counters (or helps them adjust to) most other styles, except for maybe a pressure fighter..... which is most likely what Fury meant by calling BJS P4P, even though he was wrong

it comes down to dominance/style

NOBODY ranked Maidana P4P because of his showing against Mayweather..... Maidana got schooled by Alexander, and would have lost to a number of smaller opponents..... the success that Maidana enjoyed is primarily due to the fact that Floyd saw him as a look-good cherry-pick and fought him flat-footed..... Maidana was supposed to be Floyd's " Gatti " at 147

I agree with the earlier poster who pointed out that Golovkin had 0 credible wins when he was first ranked in the top 5..... but (here we go again) P4P has little/nothing to do with resume..... it comes down to ceteris paribus, who would win if all things were equal, and that mostly comes down to style/form..... the eye-test is absolutely valid justification for the totally hypothetical discussion that is P4P..... resume, is an ATG discussion

top P4P fighters often (should) have the resume to back it up, adding that proven factor..... but I had Lomachenko ranked P4P nearly 2 years ago

it comes down to divisional dominance/style..... as-in, he HAS butchered his division, and because I understand boxing I can see that his style enables him to perform to that level against bigger opponents (think Mayweather)..... which is why Crawford with that dominance and deadly style, comes to the fore

I agree with Golovkin's pedigree, and I agree that he should be ranked P4P..... but nowhere near the top, and I have stated why for the last 2 years

Golovkin has avoided mover/spoilers, and the reason why is plainly obvious..... would Golovkin have been ranked so high, so early, if matched against Jacobs/Canelo earlier in his career???..... because movement/skills made him look ordinary in spots, and he came very close to losing to a smaller guy..... looking ordinary and nearly losing to a smaller guy, are NOT P4P criteria

you guys need to focus on what P4P really means, because it has become nothing but a popularity contest

I will repeat this post - as I do EVERY month - when boxingscene release their latest P4P rankings lol

[aboutfkntime]

fcuk " P4P "



that did not help chocolatito

also, rungvisai did not take his #1 spot..... tell me why ?

[Sid-Knee]

So Wilder is in there after doing nothing. And Spence is after beating a broken and badly weight drained Brook. But oh no, a fighter with a much better resume can't get in.

BJS has beat Eubank, Lemule, Lee and O'Sullivan. And he can't get in?

Oh right...

['b']

Which top dog has Golovkin beaten to be placed on a P4P list? The answer is NO ONE.

Can't say I disagree, but if he is on a lot of people's list, which he is, then Saunders being a MW would need to beat him or Canelo to be considered in the top 10.

But then again, GGG did beat Dominic Wade, though he has been dodging the rematch all this time.

[Cutthroat]

We already had this discussion in another thread - don't want to retread too much water but Dmitry Pirog was an awesome fighter in his prime when he beat a very young, 22-23 year old Jacobs.

The thing is people said the same exact thing about Lemieux and we saw how that turned out vs BJS. DJ's resume has been very very very weak since fighting Pirog.

As late as 2015 Jacobs was getting knocked down by Mora with the same exact punch that put him out vs Pirog. He's got the same defensive flaws he's always had.

Guys like Lemieux & DJ are propped up simply for fighting lesser competition while better guys with better resumes like Eubank/BJS or even Andy Lee go completely ignored.