Comments Thread For: Andre Ward Leaves The Door Open - "I Do Miss Fighting"

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I understand what you are saying but I just don't get how Floyd's superior boxing skills and especially the laser sharp straight right hand that lands with pin point precision almost every round and beats pretty much any pure warrior out there.

Had Floyd fought say Cotto and Margarito in 2008 (I use those two cuz I hear haters throwing those names every time), Floyd would have beaten them in the same manner he beats his opponents.

Now, Cotto for me is a warrior. Win or lose you will get your money's worth. He is humble and very respectful and a decent boxer but he could never beat Floyd at 140, 147 or 154.
Margarito is a bonafide BUM in my opinion.

Maybe you can explain to me how Floyd comes up short in your opinion when you consider who was there for him to fight. With the exception of Berto, Floyd's fought legit belt holders all the way from 135 and that's not something I can say about Manny.

Manny maybe exciting to watch but talk about a cherry picker. Look at his list of whose who. It's unbelievable that people are in awe of him.

Well said.

[Mr Objecitivity]

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I understand what you are saying but I just don't get how Floyd's superior boxing skills and especially the laser sharp straight right hand that lands with pin point precision almost every round and beats pretty much any pure warrior out there.

Had Floyd fought say Cotto and Margarito in 2008 (I use those two cuz I hear haters throwing those names every time), Floyd would have beaten them in the same manner he beats his opponents.

Now, Cotto for me is a warrior. Win or lose you will get your money's worth. He is humble and very respectful and a decent boxer but he could never beat Floyd at 140, 147 or 154.
Margarito is a bonafide BUM in my opinion.

Maybe you can explain to me how Floyd comes up short in your opinion when you consider who was there for him to fight. With the exception of Berto, Floyd's fought legit belt holders all the way from 135 and that's not something I can say about Manny.

Manny maybe exciting to watch but talk about a cherry picker. Look at his list of whose who. It's unbelievable that people are in awe of him.

I'm not arguing that Floyd Mayweather Jr is or isn't a 'warrior'. Nor am I giving my evaluation of Floyd Mayweather Jr's boxing record, boxing quality or his worth as a boxer. I'm just providing my definition of what it means for a boxer to be a 'warrior' and Floyd Mayweather Jr below 147 pounds would actually fulfill that definition.

[A-Wolf]

Ward for as great as he is seems likely to be forgotten completely eventually. He can come back. He can retire. Will make no difference.

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Be logical and please use FACTS when making opinions. I'll give it another try here:

- Floyd started his career at 130 and slowly moved up to 147. He can't even make 154. Floyd walks at around 150Ibs when he's not fighting.
GGG has been at 160 all his life and you want Floyd to move up to 154 to fight a guy who can be fighting at 168 or even 175? How is does that make sense? Why can't GGG move to 175 and fight Kovalev or Ward? He is just too small bro!!

- And your statement about being a warrior means you just don't know anything about boxing. Gatti is a warrior??? Really? Floyd destroyed him.
I bet you think Brandon Rios (the human punching bag) is a warrior too.

Can you define what a warrior is? A guy that gets beat up whenever he steps up against elite guys or a guy that pretty much schools anyone he faces?
Go ahead throw in the Castillo argument - If Castillo beat Floyd the first time, how come is career is garbage compared to Floyd? How come his "blue print" did NOT work the second time?

How do you feel about Pacman fighting BUMS (Brandon Rios, Vargas, Horn, Algieri, Diaz etc) or forcing guys to fight him at catch weight (Oscar, Margarito, Cotto, Marquez etc)? Is Pac a warrior in your opinion?

First off, if floyd was willing to fight canelo at 152, and Cotto at 154, then why not GGG? Pu$$y move.

Just like GGG said anyone from 154 to 168, but when Ward came calling, GGG said fuuuuuuck that. Pu$$y move.

At least be honest like Bowe was about fighting Lewis.

And what a warrior is, is NOT doing what I mentioned above.

If a fighter is going to run his mouth, then it has to be a "come one, come all!", and NOT "I'll fight him at 154, but not him."

And as far as Pacman fighting bums....

When a fighter has a hard fight with a top dog, then he deserves a easier fight next. I understand that, and that's ok, but when a fighter like Pac and Danny Garcia milks their name and fights bums over and over, yeah, that's BS too.

Especially Garcia, who basically held the WBC belt hostage for almost 3 years. Im sooooo glad thurman beat him. If he didn't, Garcia would have fought another string of cans, (protecting that 0), before stepping up in 2020 to fight a live body, for an incredible payday. Floyd's bluprint.

Floyd was so damn good though, he didn't have to fight cans. He could fight someone with a belt, and still win. BUT, it was rarely legit threats, unless it was too much money to pass up, like delahoya.

I got respect for floyd in a lot of ways, but he used his superb boxing skills to exploit many of boxings loopholes, and fighters like Garcia follow that blueprint.

He might have cheated himself out of actually being TBE, but he traded that for almost a billion dollars. Lol

His own words, "legacy don't pay my bills". Smart move in many many ways, but I, and many fans, see what he did, and how he did it.

[Mzembe]

First off, if floyd was willing to fight canelo at 152, and Cotto at 154, then why not GGG? Pu$$y move.

Just like GGG said anyone from 154 to 168, but when Ward came calling, GGG said fuuuuuuck that. Pu$$y move.

And what a warrior is, is NOT doing what I mentioned above.

If a fighter is going to run his mouth, then it has to be a "come one, come all!", and NOT "I'll fight him at 154, but not him."

Especially Garcia, who basically held the WBC belt hostage for almost 3 years. Im sooooo glad thurman beat him. If he didn't, Garcia would have fought another string of cans, (protecting that 0), before stepping up in 2020 to fight a live body, for an incredible payday. Floyd's bluprint.

Floyd was so damn good though, he didn't have to fight cans. He could fight someone with a belt, and still win. BUT, it was rarely legit threats, unless it was too much money to pass up, like delahoya.

I got respect for floyd in a lot of ways, but he used his superb boxing skills to exploit many of boxings loopholes, and fighters like Garcia follow that blueprint.

He might have cheated himself out of actually being TBE, but he traded that for almost a billion dollars. Lol

His own words, "legacy don't pay my bills". Smart move in many many ways, but I, and many fans, see what he did, and how he did it.

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Again, let's go with FACTS ....

Cotto started his career at 140 so he was not exactly as BIG as GGG who has been fighting at 160 for his entire career.
Canelo fought at 147 and he is the one that offered Floyd the 152 catch weight.

Oscar demanded 154, ring size, glove size, ref and judges plus the bigger split and Floyd caved because Oscar was the cash cow at the time. I am sure know that. Cotto and Floyd was pretty much even.

More important, can you name the fighters that Floyd "ducked" or should have fought so he could be TBE in your opinion? Please list them so we can dissect them.

[Mzembe]

I'm not arguing that Floyd Mayweather Jr is or isn't a 'warrior'. Nor am I giving my evaluation of Floyd Mayweather Jr's boxing record, boxing quality or his worth as a boxer. I'm just providing my definition of what it means for a boxer to be a 'warrior' and Floyd Mayweather Jr below 147 pounds would actually fulfill that definition.

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Help me out here ..... How was the fight between Floyd and Cotto? Or even Floyd vs Maidana?
The others were all embarrassed by Floyd's superior boxing skills.

Floyd vs Guerrero was no different from Floyd vs Gatti at 140 or Floyd vs Corrales at 130 so maybe I am missing something?

[daggum]

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Again, let's go with FACTS ....

Cotto started his career at 140 so he was not exactly as BIG as GGG who has been fighting at 160 for his entire career.
Canelo fought at 147 and he is the one that offered Floyd the 152 catch weight.

Oscar demanded 154, ring size, glove size, ref and judges plus the bigger split and Floyd caved because Oscar was the cash cow at the time. I am sure know that. Cotto and Floyd was pretty much even.

More important, can you name the fighters that Floyd "ducked" or should have fought so he could be TBE in your opinion? Please list them so we can dissect them.

yes you love floyd that is good. the world needs more love these days.

here are some of his highlight ducks:

stevie johnston:

HBO and Mayweather promoter Bob Arum prefer that he take a higher-profile, more competitive fight, ideally vs. former two-time champ Stevie Johnston. But Mayweather and his manager, James Prince, have balked.

"No one can communicate with Floyd," Arum said. "It's like talking to the wall. I said 'Fight Stevie Johnston.' Floyd said, 'I don't want to fight him. He's a bum.' "

Arum said it was "likely" HBO would simply bench Mayweather and give his date away instead of arguing over opponents. "They're not going to put up with this much longer," he said.

I don't think Floyd wants to fight Stevie. James Prince and I spoke, and he told me that was the fight they didn't want."

winky wright:

"As of right now, it's no deal - they changed the money on me at the last second," said promoter Gary Shaw, who said he was close to finalizing the fight when he walked into Top Rank and Bob Arum's office Thursday.

"Remember, Floyd called Winky out; Winky didn't call Floyd out," Shaw said. "We were even willing to come down in weight to 154."

Mayweather's camp requested a morning-of-the-fight weigh-in. That included a stipulation that Wright couldn't go more than eight pounds above the limit.

antonio margarito:

"Mayweather has mentioned that he'd rather jump to 154 and fight Winky Wright than fight Margarito," Diaz said. "He says it's a better loss to lose against Winky Wright than it is to Antonio."

"Arum and Diaz say that the 'Pretty Boy' was offered in the neighborhood of $7 million to face Margarito. In what could best be described as a 'business move', the same guy who brazenly challenged the bigger Winky Wright decided to bypass Margarito, to collect nearly $4 million to spar with Sharmba Mitchell.

"Flat turned him down like you can not believe," Arum said of Mayweather when he was offered a chance at the WBO title. "Any time we raised his name, Mayweather went crazy." He's a ballsy guy but his people have told him that Margarito is the most dangerous guy for him out there."

miguel cotto:

he lives too far away???
i don't work with top rank?
retirement.
are these acceptable reasons not to fight the best guy in your division?

manny pacquiao:

40 million flat offer in 2011. fight dead.

there are others but they are more subjective. things like tszyu trying to make the fight and floyd completely ignoring him, fighting berto instead of pac rematch or anyone better but these were the clear ducks. they wouldnt make him the best ever if he won them all but would have made him a legit great up there with the other greats. even if he only won some of them. oh well. take care and have fun spinning these!

[Mzembe]

yes you love floyd that is good. the world needs more love these days.

here are some of his highlight ducks:

stevie johnston:

HBO and Mayweather promoter Bob Arum prefer that he take a higher-profile, more competitive fight, ideally vs. former two-time champ Stevie Johnston.

winky wright:

"As of right now, it's no deal - they changed the money on me at the last second," said promoter Gary Shaw, who said he was close to finalizing the fight when he walked into Top Rank and Bob Arum's office Thursday.

antonio margarito:


"Arum and Diaz say that the 'Pretty Boy' was offered in the neighborhood of $7 million to face Margarito.

miguel cotto:

he lives too far away???
i don't work with top rank?

manny pacquiao:

40 million flat offer in 2011. fight dead.

there are others but they are more subjective. things like tszyu trying to make the fight and floyd completely ignoring him, fighting berto instead of pac rematch or anyone better but these were the clear ducks. even if he only won some of them. oh well. take care and have fun spinning these!

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"Have fun spinning these"? That's your retort?
Unlike you, I go with FACTS and LOGIC and I will try to walk you through both:-

Stevie Johnson: I follow boxing pretty well and I had to google this guy. The guy had like 7 losses and lost to guys like Vivian Harris (a BUM) etc. Are you kidding me? This is the guy Floyd ducked? You gotta be smoking some very powerful shyt bro!!

Winky Wright: In 2005, Floyd's first foray at 140 when he beat up Gatti. Your logic tells you that Floyd would move to 154 to fight a guy that was fighting at 160. Floyd had just moved up from 135, let that sink in for a second. That's like Lomachenko saying he wants to move up to 147 to fight Spence!
Obviously Floyd was talking trash to bring attention to the fact that all the 140Ibs belt holders didn't want to fight him including your boy Cotto so that fight with Winky was NEVER going to happen. It was just a ruse.

Margarito: First off, Margarito is a CHEAT and he was caught and banned for a year. He also got destroyed by Shane.
Two, how can Margarito claim to offer Floyd $7M when he himself has never made that kind of money? His biggest payday was against Cotto.
Arum and Floyd were never going to work together and it is because Arum is a scum who steals from his fighters (Oscar, Floyd, Garcia, Cotto left him. Even Manny tried to leave him to go to GBP).
Margarito could NEVER beat Floyd. I'll just leave it at that.

Cotto: Cotto's team refused to fight Floyd at 140 because they weren't ready for him. Cotto himself attested to that during the one on one with Max Kellerman during the promotion for his fight with Floyd at 154.
Yes, Cotto did call Floyd out at 147 but at the time he was promoted by Arum so that fight was NEVER gonna happen. Again.
Regardless, Cotto would have lost just like he did at 154

PAC: Where do I begin? Well, let's look at Pac's career first.

Pac vs JM Marquez: They fought 4 times and he got KO'd in the last fight. Four times?? Really? Marquez was taken to school by Floyd

Barrera: Three time fight. Why?
Bradley: Three time fight
Morales: Two times.

So 12 fights against 4 guys. What a way to pad up your record.

David Diaz: Who the hell is this guy?
Algieri: WTF!
Jeff Horn: WTF!!
Brandon Rios: Seriously? This guy was coming off a loss and moved up in weight.
Vargas: Really?
Mosley: Mosley had just lost to Floyd. Can you imagine if it was Floyd fighting Mosley after Mosley had to lost to Pac?

Oscar: Weight drained at 147
Cotto: Weight drained at 145
Margarito: Weight drained at 150

All that time Freddie Roach kept saying Manny wasn't ready for Floyd. How are you "destroying" guys and you still aren't ready for Floyd?

And then Manny was afraid of needles despite having 8 or 9 tattoos.
Manny then refuses random drug testing. We all what Alex Ariza was feeding Manny.

Lastly, what rematch? Floyd beat Manny easily.

Tszyu elected to fight Hatton and then retired.

You can say all you want about Floyd but FACTS and LOGIC and never be disputed.


Lastly, a lot of people say Sugar Ray Leonard was better than Floyd. Please go and look at Sugar Ray's record and how many guys he lost to. He was 24 when lost to No Mas. He had only 4 names of Hall of fame fighters to his record. How many hall of fame boxers has Floyd beaten?

[Mr Objecitivity]

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Help me out here ..... How was the fight between Floyd and Cotto? Or even Floyd vs Maidana?
The others were all embarrassed by Floyd's superior boxing skills.

Floyd vs Guerrero was no different from Floyd vs Gatti at 140 or Floyd vs Corrales at 130 so maybe I am missing something?

Unfortunately for Floyd, he didn't inflict as much damage to those particular opponents you've mentioned to be classified as a 'warrior' according to my definition. He displayed poor punch technique required to actually hurt and inflict enough damage upon such opponents. Along with lacking the mentality as well.

Floyd destroyed Corrales by dropping him multiple times and then stopping him. Floyd destroyed Arturo Gatti by inflicted visible damage upon his face and then also stopping him. That's boxing perfection: not getting hit and destroying the opponent by inflicting visible damage upon the opponent and / or stopping them / knocking them out.

On the other hand, against Maidana and Cotto, Floyd failed to inflict the necessary damage upon them. He also got hit a lot more comparatively. Thus, those performances were relatively poor from a boxing skills perspective. He got exposed in those bouts.

Against Guerrero, Floyd got hit less than he did against Cotto and Maidana but offensively didn't inflct as much damage to them as he did to Gatti and Corrales. Thus, he didn't fulfill the definition of a 'warrior' in those bouts.

[Froch_uppercut]

he should stay retired, not a true challenge for him out there

Lol, he's only out of the game cos he doesn;t want to get put to sleep.

He's already lost to Kovalev, and there is Beterbiev, Stevenson and that other Russian lad coming up.

There are fights at 68 too if he wanted.

That said, he's a boring, grab and clinch, rule bending, ducker who can stay retired, please.