Comments Thread For: Andre Ward Leaves The Door Open - "I Do Miss Fighting"

[Superbee]

He should come back just for that one belt Kovalev owns... Then retire again...

[Mzembe]

I'm sure some of what you say is true bro, but we all have eyes, and floyd didn't pass many fans WTF? test, so maybe were both right and wrong.

I'll tell you this though, floyd NEVER stepped up like Ward did!! GGG said he would meet fraud at 154, and at the time that WAS THE BIGGEST FIGHT ON THE PLANET!

Floyd said fuuuuucccckkk that, and ran like a bi#tch.

Even if I'm only 50% right, ( cuz there's always lots that goes on behind the scenes), Floyd's still a running bi#itch.

I know what a fking warrior is, and he ain't it.

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Be logical and please use FACTS when making opinions. I'll give it another try here:

- Floyd started his career at 130 and slowly moved up to 147. He can't even make 154. Floyd walks at around 150Ibs when he's not fighting.
GGG has been at 160 all his life and you want Floyd to move up to 154 to fight a guy who can be fighting at 168 or even 175? How is does that make sense? Why can't GGG move to 175 and fight Kovalev or Ward? He is just too small bro!!

- And your statement about being a warrior means you just don't know anything about boxing. Gatti is a warrior??? Really? Floyd destroyed him.
I bet you think Brandon Rios (the human punching bag) is a warrior too.

Can you define what a warrior is? A guy that gets beat up whenever he steps up against elite guys or a guy that pretty much schools anyone he faces?
Go ahead throw in the Castillo argument - If Castillo beat Floyd the first time, how come is career is garbage compared to Floyd? How come his "blue print" did NOT work the second time?

How do you feel about Pacman fighting BUMS (Brandon Rios, Vargas, Horn, Algieri, Diaz etc) or forcing guys to fight him at catch weight (Oscar, Margarito, Cotto, Marquez etc)? Is Pac a warrior in your opinion?

[Mr Objecitivity]

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Be logical and please use FACTS when making opinions. I'll give it another try here:

- Floyd started his career at 130 and slowly moved up to 147. He can't even make 154. Floyd walks at around 150Ibs when he's not fighting.
GGG has been at 160 all his life and you want Floyd to move up to 154 to fight a guy who can be fighting at 168 or even 175? How is does that make sense? Why can't GGG move to 175 and fight Kovalev or Ward? He is just too small bro!!

- And your statement about being a warrior means you just don't know anything about boxing. Gatti is a warrior??? Really? Floyd destroyed him.
I bet you think Brandon Rios (the human punching bag) is a warrior too.

Can you define what a warrior is? A guy that gets beat up whenever he steps up against elite guys or a guy that pretty much schools anyone he faces?
Go ahead throw in the Castillo argument - If Castillo beat Floyd the first time, how come is career is garbage compared to Floyd? How come his "blue print" did NOT work the second time?

How do you feel about Pacman fighting BUMS (Brandon Rios, Vargas, Horn, Algieri, Diaz etc) or forcing guys to fight him at catch weight (Oscar, Margarito, Cotto, Marquez etc)? Is Pac a warrior in your opinion?

To me, a 'warrior' is someone who destroys his opponents without getting hit much. Rather than someone who lands ineffective and non-damaging punches without getting hit much.

An example of such a boxer would be someone like Vitali Klitschko.

[Mzembe]

To me, a 'warrior' is someone who destroys his opponents without getting hit much. Rather than someone who lands ineffective and non-damaging punches without getting hit much.

An example of such a boxer would be someone like Vitali Klitschko.

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So basically what you are saying is that a guy like Floyd could fight 100 opponents and beat them effectively by UD but because naturally he lacks power so he is NOT a warrior?
How many boxers do you know lack KO power? Calzaghe was one but to discredit him for something he has no control over is pretty lame, don't you think?

Mathysse is a heavy handed puncher but against elite boxers he will always come up short. So do call him a warrior but the guys he loses against are somehow not warriors?
Do you follow my logic?

Power does NOT translate to greatness. Felix Trinidad had crazy power but he was rendered useless against Winky Wright. Winky never had any power to KO anyone. He won almost all his fights by the most effective punch boxers rely on, the jab. Tito looked like an amateur in that fight. He had zero game plan against Winky so your logic is pretty flawed bro!

[RomanReigns]

Andre Ward vs. Joseph Parker

[HURTFEELINGS]

Ward's got lots of fans who want him back, too bad not many of them would pay to see him fight.
If RocNation is out of the picture, whose going to pay Ward what he thinks he worth?

What do you think youre worth

[Mr Objecitivity]

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So basically what you are saying is that a guy like Floyd could fight 100 opponents and beat them effectively by UD but because naturally he lacks power so he is NOT a warrior?
How many boxers do you know lack KO power? Calzaghe was one but to discredit him for something he has no control over is pretty lame, don't you think?

Mathysse is a heavy handed puncher but against elite boxers he will always come up short. So do call him a warrior but the guys he loses against are somehow not warriors?
Do you follow my logic?

Power does NOT translate to greatness. Felix Trinidad had crazy power but he was rendered useless against Winky Wright. Winky never had any power to KO anyone. He won almost all his fights by the most effective punch boxers rely on, the jab. Tito looked like an amateur in that fight. He had zero game plan against Winky so your logic is pretty flawed bro!

In most cases, most, if not all boxers have similar amount of power. In most cases, boxers do have control over their power. The boxers who have poor knockout records, is usually caused by them lacking sufficient offensive skills (such as good punching technique, mechanics and offense set up) rather than them lacking raw physical strength and power. Boxers like Andre Ward are examples of boxers with average offensive skills.

Floyd Mayweather Jr as 'Pretty Boy Floyd' actually had pretty decent offensive skills below 147 pounds.

Joe Calzaghe is a slapper. His punch technique and mechanic is horrible. Doesn't distribute his weight into his punches properly and etc. These are things he has control over. Technique can be learnt and if a boxer evidently punches with insufficient technique that they can obviously learn and use when it comes to applying body weight into punches, then they have to be criticized for lacking offensive skills.

Mathysse is not a good boxer but is still a warrior. They are not mutually exclusive concepts. Someone can be a very good boxer and can still be a warrior (like Vitali Klitschko). Whilst someone can be a very good boxer and not be a warrior (like Timothy Bradley).

The best display of boxing skills is to not get hit and destroy the opponent. That's more impressive than to not get hit and win by decision whilst barely inflicting any damage upon the opponent. In other words, destroy without getting hit > decision without getting and without inflicting much damage upon the opponent.

Any boxer that knocks their opponents out consistently and damages them consistently is a 'warrior', according to my definition. That boxer can be a technically skilled warrior (someone who destroys their opponents without getting hit much in return) or be a technically deficient brawler (someone who destroys his opponents whilst also taking a lot of punches in return).

[SOPH~ REP.]

Come back to chase stevenson already beat kovalev where's the motivation

[Regulus]

Come back to chase stevenson already beat kovalev where's the motivation

Chase Stevenson?

Ward won't go near him.

[Mzembe]

In most cases, most, if not all boxers have similar amount of power. In most cases, boxers do have control over their power. The boxers who have poor knockout records, is usually caused by them lacking sufficient offensive skills (such as good punching technique, mechanics and offense set up) rather than them lacking raw physical strength and power. Boxers like Andre Ward are examples of boxers with average offensive skills.

Floyd Mayweather Jr as 'Pretty Boy Floyd' actually had pretty decent offensive skills below 147 pounds.

Joe Calzaghe is a slapper. His punch technique and mechanic is horrible. Doesn't distribute his weight into his punches properly and etc. These are things he has control over. Technique can be learnt and if a boxer evidently punches with insufficient technique that they can obviously learn and use when it comes to applying body weight into punches, then they have to be criticized for lacking offensive skills.

Mathysse is not a good boxer but is still a warrior. They are not mutually exclusive concepts. Someone can be a very good boxer and can still be a warrior (like Vitali Klitschko). Whilst someone can be a very good boxer and not be a warrior (like Timothy Bradley).

The best display of boxing skills is to not get hit and destroy the opponent. That's more impressive than to not get hit and win by decision whilst barely inflicting any damage upon the opponent. In other words, destroy without getting hit > decision without getting and without inflicting much damage upon the opponent.

Any boxer that knocks their opponents out consistently and damages them consistently is a 'warrior', according to my definition. That boxer can be a technically skilled warrior (someone who destroys their opponents without getting hit much in return) or be a technically deficient brawler (someone who destroys his opponents whilst also taking a lot of punches in return).

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I understand what you are saying but I just don't get how Floyd's superior boxing skills and especially the laser sharp straight right hand that lands with pin point precision almost every round and beats pretty much any pure warrior out there.

Had Floyd fought say Cotto and Margarito in 2008 (I use those two cuz I hear haters throwing those names every time), Floyd would have beaten them in the same manner he beats his opponents.

Now, Cotto for me is a warrior. Win or lose you will get your money's worth. He is humble and very respectful and a decent boxer but he could never beat Floyd at 140, 147 or 154.
Margarito is a bonafide BUM in my opinion.

Maybe you can explain to me how Floyd comes up short in your opinion when you consider who was there for him to fight. With the exception of Berto, Floyd's fought legit belt holders all the way from 135 and that's not something I can say about Manny.

Manny maybe exciting to watch but talk about a cherry picker. Look at his list of whose who. It's unbelievable that people are in awe of him.