Comments Thread For: Andre Ward Leaves The Door Open - "I Do Miss Fighting"

[Johnny_Roa]

Lol, he's only out of the game cos he doesn;t want to get put to sleep.

He's already lost to Kovalev, and there is Beterbiev, Stevenson and that other Russian lad coming up.

There are fights at 68 too if he wanted.

That said, he's a boring, grab and clinch, rule bending, ducker who can stay retired, please.

are you retarded or delusional bro?
he knocked out Kovalev, low blows or not, he got taken out of there.

[Mzembe]

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2) No, I haven't forgot. Rather, one or two bouts out of a boxer's entire career record spanning 69 bouts (which is unprecedented for a 6 foot 6, 240+ super heavyweight) has very little relevance. The entirety of that boxer's career as a whole matters. In other words, what that boxer accomplished before and after the few losses that the boxer experienced is what matters more.

3) His footwork, athleticism and jab enabled him to accomplish unprecedented feats in his career that no past heavyweight champion has before him. And he has accomplished so many of those feats, as I've already mentioned on one of my previous posts.

4) No, it isn't! Perhaps to western nostalgic individuals who worship Muhammad Ali and his era or overrate it to ridiculous levels. That isn't the case with an objective individual like myself.

Pretty much everything you need to know about the comparisons between Muhammad Ali and Wladimir Klitschko are covered on this article of the following blog:

http://www.heavyweightblog.com/2342/...s-muhammad-ali

If you have an open mind, then after reading the article, you may change your conclusions on many things that may have been previously false.

However, if you are closed minded, then you would most likely still hold some of the erroneous beliefs.

5) Muhammad Ali wouldn't qualify as a heavyweight by modern standards. In Ali's time, the minimum weight required to be a heavyweight was 176 pounds (lower than modern female heavyweight requirements). In the modern era, it is 200+ pounds.

Thus, majority of Ali's opponents and bouts would've been cruiser weight and some even light heavyweight by modern standards.

Muhammad Ali would today be more comparable to someone like Oleksandr Usyk than any elite heavyweight today or during Wladimir Klitschko's era. Muhammad Ali is closer to Usyk's size than he is to any of the top heavyweights in the modern era. And he would most likely be competing in the cruiser weight division in the modern era and not in the heavyweight division. And as far as I'm concerned, Oleksandr Usyk has better footwork than Muhammad Ali. Usyk is also the better athlete with far better fundamentals.

7) 'Better' in what way? From a head to head perspective? Absolutely! Wladimir Klitschko is most likely going to defeat Floyd Mayweather Jr in an actual boxing match with just a few punches.

So you obviously have to be specific by defining the word 'better'.

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That's a very interesting point you make about Ali in modern day standards of a heavyweight. I could see a young Ali when he beat Sony Liston being too small for today's HW guys but then again he did beat George Foremen who is 6'5 and a beast of a man BUT a terrible boxer. A sentiment you probably agree with.

That aside, I don't consider Ali the greatest boxer of all time. I consider him probably the greatest sportsman of all time. He is the one that put boxing on the map for the rest of the world and fyi I live in the Western World but grew up far away from it all so I can be open minded. Ali lost to a bunch of guys but he was resilient, entertaining and was a principled man.

I had never had of Oleksandr Usyk until you mention him and this is the part I don't get about your arguments. You seem fair and balanced until you boldly declare that Usyk is above Ali yet nobody knows of him. I don't get that part.

But back to Wladimir, he lost to two guys that based on your analysis Wladimir should have NEVER lost to anyone. Corrie Sanders and Brewster. And those weren't just losses, Wladimir got his ass handed to him. How can you explain those losses? A guy with of his calibre should have never lost to those guys.

In regards to Floyd and Wladimir, I meant on a pound for pound mythical comparison and the obvious intangibles. Floyd's defensive style especially the shoulder roll is incomparable to anyone that's every laced gloves A few come close and Wladimir is just NOT one of them. That technique alone puts Floyd miles above Wladimir in skills.

[Mzembe]

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That isn't the case with an objective individual like myself. Pretty much everything you need to know about the comparisons between Muhammad Ali and Wladimir Klitschko are covered on this article of the following blog:

http://www.heavyweightblog.com/2342/...s-muhammad-ali

If you have an open mind, then after reading the article, you may change your conclusions on many things that may have been previously false.

However, if you are closed minded, then you would most likely still hold some of the erroneous beliefs.

5) Muhammad Ali wouldn't qualify as a heavyweight by modern standards. In Ali's time, the minimum weight required to be a heavyweight was 176 pounds (lower than modern female heavyweight requirements). In the modern era, it is 200+ pounds.

And as far as I'm concerned, Oleksandr Usyk has better footwork than Muhammad Ali. Usyk is also the better athlete with far better fundamentals.

'Better' in what way? From a head to head perspective? Absolutely! Wladimir Klitschko is most likely going to defeat Floyd Mayweather Jr in an actual boxing match with just a few punches.

So you obviously have to be specific by defining the word 'better'.

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Dude, I read that article. I tried to be open minded and reflect on the author's points. I could not continue.
That article is all pure garbage and based on plain toxic and ******ed reasoning.

That author is most likely an Eastern European cousin of Wladimir Klitchko and I think you are also from Eastern Europe. There is no way a logical person can agree with that verbiage.

[Mr Objecitivity]

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Dude, I read that article. I tried to be open minded and reflect on the author's points. I could not continue.
That article is all pure garbage and based on plain toxic and ******ed reasoning.

That author is most likely an Eastern European cousin of Wladimir Klitchko and I think you are also from Eastern Europe. There is no way a logical person can agree with that verbiage.

That author is most likely an Eastern European cousin of Wladimir Klitchko and I think you are also from Eastern Europe.

The author of that site is from Kiribati (search it up if you don't already know what that place is) and I am not an Eastern European either. Nor am I married to one. Nor do I speak any Eastern European language. Nor do I have any affiliate in any Eastern European country. Nor do I speak any Eastern European language and so forth so on.

Why are you making this assumption? That because Wladimir Klitschko is an Eastern European and that because someone used facts and stats to prove that he is factually the most accomplished 'HEAVYWEIGHT' of all time, you assume it makes that someone an 'Eastern European'?

There is no way a logical person can agree with that verbiage.

Facts and stats have been provided to prove the claims made by the author of that article. Especially wide array of facts / stats that take into consideration multiple factors. As they say, humans lie, people lie but numbers don't. Ergo, anybody who disagrees with the claims of that author of that article is simply not 'logical' but rather 'illogical' and is denying facts / reality.

I could not continue.
That article is all pure garbage and based on plain toxic and ******ed reasoning.

If you can, why don't you go ahead and make a counter article using counter arguments, statistics and facts to counter and disprove the claims / arguments of that author (backed up and substantiated by facts and stats)?

It's very easy to claim: So and so is wrong. It's not so easy to disprove one's claim if one knows that the claim is correct.

If you genuinely believe those arguments made by that author are false, then it shouldn't be too difficult to disprove that author using counter arguments, counter statistics and counter facts.

[alexguiness]

Stay retired Andre...boxing is better without you.

[Mzembe]

The author of that site is from Kiribati (search it up if you don't already know what that place is)

Why are you making this assumption? That because Wladimir Klitschko is an Eastern European and that because someone used facts and stats to prove that he is factually the most accomplished 'HEAVYWEIGHT' of all time, you assume it makes that someone an 'Eastern European'?

If you can, why don't you go ahead and make a counter article using counter arguments, statistics and facts to counter and disprove the claims / arguments of that author (backed up and substantiated by facts and stats)?

If you genuinely believe those arguments made by that author are false, then it shouldn't be too difficult to disprove that author using counter arguments, counter statistics and counter facts.

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I am pretty good with Geography and I know where Kiribati is located.
I just made an assumption because that article was so biased and one dimensional I just figured only someone related to Wladimir (by nationality) could write such crap.

As for my calling you Eastern European I do apologize for that.
That said, I am not going to give you stats, facts, numbers etc to prove that Wladimir is NOT as good as you believe him to be or to prove that Mayweather is the greatest boxer pound for pound of all time.

Here's the thing, Floyd has literally demolished hall of fame boxers in his 19 year career. Those that came close to "beating" him (Castillo and Maidana) were given a second chance and they came up short. There is/was literally no boxer at 140 or 147 that had/has a chance of beating Floyd even at his ripe age of 40.

Waldimir on the other hand got beat by freaking journeymen - Corrie Sanders literally mopped the floor with Wladimir and so did Brewster.

I am sure you've watched the fight with Sanders. Wladimir had ZERO response, counter or defense against the southpaw style of Sanders. Where was Wladimir's footwork, athleticism or power then? He was rendered useless and looked like an amateur with ZERO skills.

Have you ever seen Mayweather get pulverized the way Wladimir was? Have you ever seen Floyd rendered ineffective in his style? Have you ever seen Floyd look lost in the ring against any opponent? Have you ever seen Floyd gas out in any of his fights?

Floyd has looked human in some of his fights but he still came out victorious. Comparing Wladimir to Floyd is treason my brother.

Lastly, I do like Wladimir. I think he is def one of the greatest boxers ever. I believe he fixed his game after his losses and got better especially after hooking up with Manny Steward but the bottomline is Wladimir is a flawed fighter and can lose on any given day.

Mayweather is a complete pure boxer and is the greatest of all time and is light years away from any fighter in history including Wladimir.

[GMAN SUPREME]

come back princess andrea you have beterbiev bivol and gyodzyk waiting for your punk ass.

[Mr Objecitivity]

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I am pretty good with Geography and I know where Kiribati is located.
I just made an assumption because that article was so biased and one dimensional I just figured only someone related to Wladimir (by nationality) could write such crap.

As for my calling you Eastern European I do apologize for that.
That said, I am not going to give you stats, facts, numbers etc to prove that Wladimir is NOT as good as you believe him to be or to prove that Mayweather is the greatest boxer pound for pound of all time.

Here's the thing, Floyd has literally demolished hall of fame boxers in his 19 year career. Those that came close to "beating" him (Castillo and Maidana) were given a second chance and they came up short. There is/was literally no boxer at 140 or 147 that had/has a chance of beating Floyd even at his ripe age of 40.

Waldimir on the other hand got beat by freaking journeymen - Corrie Sanders literally mopped the floor with Wladimir and so did Brewster.

I am sure you've watched the fight with Sanders. Wladimir had ZERO response, counter or defense against the southpaw style of Sanders. Where was Wladimir's footwork, athleticism or power then? He was rendered useless and looked like an amateur with ZERO skills.

Have you ever seen Mayweather get pulverized the way Wladimir was? Have you ever seen Floyd rendered ineffective in his style? Have you ever seen Floyd look lost in the ring against any opponent? Have you ever seen Floyd gas out in any of his fights?

Floyd has looked human in some of his fights but he still came out victorious. Comparing Wladimir to Floyd is treason my brother.

Lastly, I do like Wladimir. I think he is def one of the greatest boxers ever. I believe he fixed his game after his losses and got better especially after hooking up with Manny Steward but the bottomline is Wladimir is a flawed fighter and can lose on any given day.

Mayweather is a complete pure boxer and is the greatest of all time and is light years away from any fighter in history including Wladimir.

Personally, I avoid comparing heavyweights to boxers from lower weight divisions in a pound for pound sense. Since the best heavyweight in the world doesn't need to be ranked pound for pound as he will automatically be the best boxer in the world in a head to head sense, period! Pound for pound rankings are for boxers that compete below the heavyweight division since they can't all box against each other whilst the heavyweight division is unlimited after 200 pounds so no pound for pound rankings are required since they can all compete against each other and find out in the ring who the better boxer is.

Also, one is more likely to get knocked out in the heavyweight division than in the lower weight division. Floyd Mayweather Jr wasn't a heavyweight. He wasn't getting hit by punches that are anywhere near as forceful as the punching power that Corrie Sanders was hitting Wladimir Klitschko with. Keep in mind that Floyd Mayweather Jr was actualy hit by power punches in early rounds against Shane Mosley and Marcos Maidana that clearly hurt him. What do you think would've happened had those punches came from a 220+ pound puncher rather than a less powerful 150- boxer? Floyd Mayweather Jr would've also probably been stopped! And Wladimir Klitschko probably wouldn't have been stopped had he been hit by Shane Mosley or Marcos Maidana.

Against Corrie Sanders, Wladimir Klitshcko simply got caught by a random punch he didn't see coming and that was how he lost. That can happen to pretty much any heavyweight. And Corrie Sanders was getting out-boxed prior to landing that random punch. That doesn't disprove what I claimed about Wladimir Klitschko's unparalleled abilities in the heavyweight division's history. One bout is an extremely small sample size to use to establish how good a boxer's footwork, defense and athleticism is. If being objective, it's best to go by how a boxer performed OVERALL throughout their entire respective career. And against MORE opponents in MORE bouts, Wladimir Klitschko has displayed the best combination of footwork, defense, power, athleticism and offensive skills better than any other past heavyweight has at bouts where their opponents weigh above 200 pounds.

Wladimir Klitschko may have not been successful in one or two bouts against the likes of Corrie Sanders, but he has been successful in 64 bouts and in 23 real heavyweight title bouts.

One loss can never be used to discredit a boxer's entire career spanning 64 wins out of 69 bouts. That's totally ridiculous.

Also, Corrie Sanders became irrelevant because after he beat Wladimir Klitschko, what exactly did he do? Did he accomplish anything that is anyway comparable to Wladimir Klitschko's accomplishments at heavyweight? Did Corrie Sanders manage to permanently dethrone Wladimir Klitschko and prevent Klitschko from ever reaching the top? No! Thus, Corrie Sander's win can only be attributed to 'luck' and had they fought again, Wladimir Klitschko would've been the heavy favorite to beat him like how he beat Lamon Brewster.

Just so you know, I'm not comparing Floyd Mayweather Jr to Wladimir Klitschko in a pound for pound sense overall since I don't believe it is a fair comparison. I was ONLY comparing their punch technique.

I believe Floyd Mayweather Jr is pound for pound top 5 boxers ever. I've got no problem with anybody ranking him number 1.