Which countries have never produced a world champion?

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  • HanzGruber
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    #31
    Guatemala, el salvador?

    which is surprising.. also vietnam, greece ethiopia

    its easy to find out just go on boxrec

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    • RedZmaja
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      #32
      Originally posted by CubanGuyNYC
      There are those around here that like to trumpet the “superiority” of blacks in boxing. I don’t think there’s any question blacks have had greater relative success in the sport, but how many of them have come directly from African nations? Not too many. I think it supports my point.
      The most known boxers from Africa have actually been white LOL. The white buffalo Botha, Corrie Sanders, Gerrie Coetze...

      Boxing is getting more and more global though, we're now getting champs from everywhere. Indongo from Namibia for example. The guy won two ABC belts training in some small room in the middle of nowhere with nobodies.

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        #33
        Originally posted by SugarRayCurtain
        Hungary?

        Anvi 'My coach is going to vuck your wife' Yildrim
        Hungry does not need boxing champs... it has produced 9 Noble Laureates

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        • RedZmaja
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          #34
          It seems like Portugal never had a world champ.

          They did have this guy though:


          The guy was a 6 ft 9 in (2.06 m) heavyweight in 1930s. At the time the average height was approximately 5 ft 5 in.

          He didn't achieve anything notable though.

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          • daggum
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            #35
            Originally posted by CubanGuyNYC
            There are currently 195 countries in the world. That’s a lot of places. No surprise, a very small percentage have had an impact on boxing. Superiority in sports has a lot to do with culture, opportunity and resources. This is a major reason why the United States has been historically dominant in the sport. Mexico became a major player later, for many of the same reasons. Puerto Rico and Cuba, although small geographically, have managed to have an impact due, in part, to their proximity to the US. It’s my opinion that if those small islands were on the other side of the world, their success would’ve been lessened dramatically, perhaps extinguished.

            There are those around here that like to trumpet the “superiority” of blacks in boxing. I don’t think there’s any question blacks have had greater relative success in the sport, but how many of them have come directly from African nations? Not too many. I think it supports my point.

            China and India have the greatest populations on earth, by far. Yet they have essentially produced no one in boxing. It has nothing to do with race. Those people just don’t care about the sport, or, arguably, about sports in general, the way people do in the boxing nations. The Dominican Republic is a good place to focus on. They have a racial makeup very similar to that found in Cuba and Puerto Rico, yet they produce virtually no high level boxers. On the other hand, they produce the greatest baseball players in the world. How do you explain that? In my opinion, they lack one of the necessary ingredients, cultural interest.
            and only one that matters

            go trump!

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              #36
              Originally posted by RedZmaja
              The most known boxers from Africa have actually been white LOL. The white buffalo Botha, Corrie Sanders, Gerrie Coetze...

              Boxing is getting more and more global though, we're now getting champs from everywhere. Indongo from Namibia for example. The guy won two ABC belts training in some small room in the middle of nowhere with nobodies.
              Let’s not forget the greatest African boxer of them all, Azumah Nelson, from Ghana. But, yes, the irony isn’t lost on me.

              As boxing becomes more widespread, we’ll see more and more “firsts.” The traditional boxing powers will lose ground, as the US already has, and stars from heretofore unheralded places will emerge. I welcome it.

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                #37
                Originally posted by CubanGuyNYC
                Let’s not forget the greatest African boxer of them all, Azumah Nelson, from Ghana. But, yes, the irony isn’t lost on me.

                As boxing becomes more widespread, we’ll see more and more “firsts.” The traditional boxing powers will lose ground, as the US already has, and stars from heretofore unheralded places will emerge. I welcome it.
                I think African boxers will continue to struggle even if the talent is there because they seem to be mismanaged.

                Look at Chilemba and the guys he fought for example. Terrible management of a career. If he was from USA he could have been protected to a title easily. The guy gave tough fights to Kovalev and Gvozdyk and could have easily won the decision against Bellew and Eleider Alvarez. Very awkward and hard to beat. He beat Miranda and took the 0 of Vlasov and Lepikhin. I mean, is there an active guy right now who has faced a harder set of opponents than him at LHW? Like I said, terrible management of his career to face all these killers with no title on the line. Now he's just a 24-5-2 gatekeeper on a 3 loss streak.

                This is the same problem a lot of Eastern Euros have. Kovalev and Lebedev nearly quit boxing at some point. Golovkin's career was going nowhere until he was 31. Look at how badly Beterbiev has been managed. Who knows how much talent was wasted because they couldn't get their careers going.

                I think Americans and British have an edge here due to having good promoters and a lot of money to back up their talents, give them the right opponents and the right training, they can fight at home etc. Russia seems to be improving and Germany has some solid infrastructure. The rest of the world doesn't offer that many opportunities for boxers though.

                You can have all the talent in the world but if they don't match you up correctly you're likely done.
                Last edited by RedZmaja; 12-08-2017, 06:24 PM.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by RedZmaja
                  The most known boxers from Africa have actually been white LOL. The white buffalo Botha, Corrie Sanders, Gerrie Coetze...

                  Boxing is getting more and more global though, we're now getting champs from everywhere. Indongo from Namibia for example. The guy won two ABC belts training in some small room in the middle of nowhere with nobodies.
                  Just to jog your memory here are some outstanding Black boxers from Africa.
                  Azuma Nelson
                  Welcome Ncita
                  John Mugabi
                  Cornelius Edwards
                  Ike Quartey
                  **** Tiger

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                  • CubanGuyNYC
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by RedZmaja
                    I think African boxers will continue to struggle even if the talent is there because they seem to be mismanaged.

                    Look at Chilemba and the guys he fought for example. Terrible management of a career. If he was from USA he could have been protected to a title easily. The guy gave tough fights to Bellew, Eleider Alvarez, Kovalev and Gvozdyk. Very awkward and hard to beat.

                    This is the same problem a lot of Eastern Euros have. Kovalev and Lebedev nearly quit boxing at some point. Golovkin's career was going nowhere until he was 31. Look at how badly Beterbiev has been managed. Who knows how much talented was wasted because they couldn't get their careers going.

                    I think Americans and British have an edge here due to having good promoters and a lot of money to back up their talents, give them the right opponents and the right training, they can fight at home etc. Russia seems to be improving and Germany has some solid infrastructure. The rest of the world doesn't offer that many opportunities for boxers though.
                    Like I said, culture, opportunity and resources. The US and UK have very well-established and stable economies and societies. Anyone who lives in, has access to, or even lives in close proximity of, these places already has a leg up.

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                    • CubanGuyNYC
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by billeau2
                      Hungry does not need boxing champs... it has produced 9 Noble Laureates
                      Haha Much as I love boxing, intellectual achievements impress me far more. Too many of the kids around here are hung up on the idea that a country or race producing more champion boxers means they’re naturally able to kick your ass or something. Lol

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