rank higher wlad or lennox lewis?

[daggum]

i'm still trying to find the great fighters wlad beat. david hayes name keeps coming up so that can't be right. i said greats. oh well maybe he dominated the division oh no thats not right cause vitali and wlad had a dual domination so thats half credit there. maybe something will come up in the future that proves hes great? lets take a look at the povetkin fight that must be the key....

[H-Tok]

I'm shocked that 7 people actually voted Wlad. Delusional asf

[Mr Objecitivity]

i'm still trying to find the great fighters wlad beat. david hayes name keeps coming up so that can't be right. i said greats. oh well maybe he dominated the division oh no thats not right cause vitali and wlad had a dual domination so thats half credit there. maybe something will come up in the future that proves hes great? lets take a look at the povetkin fight that must be the key....

Wladimir Klitschko didn't allow any boxer to become great in his weight division. If Wlad wasn't competing, then all the best opponents he beat would've been great. Not sure what your point is by that!

If you allow your opponents to become great because you couldn't dominate them as dominantly, then that's a sign of you being inferior to someone who was even more dominant.

Excluding Vitali Klitschko, Wlad didn't avoid a single opponent that qualified as the best / most worthy opponent for him.

No other boxer has had as many boxing bouts and wins against REAL heavyweights (opponents weighing 200 pounds / 200 + pounds). His unprecedented domination meant nobody was allowed to become a great = not a bad thing but a positive thing.

We can watch fights of Wladimir Klitschko's best opponents outside their fights against Wlad himself to see how good they are. That Wlad shuts them down isn't a testament to how bad they are, but a testament to how great Wlad is.

I see nothing that suggests Lennox Lewis's best opponents are better than Wlad's. An old, washed up Mike Tyson isn't better than prime Alexander Povetkin or even David Haye. Chris Byrd proved to be the superior boxer to Evander Holyfield in their only head to head match that they had and the most impressive thing is, Chris Byrd actually beat Evander Holyfield more convincingly and impressively than Lennox Lewis beat Evander Holyfield. The same prime Chris Byrd was dismantled by Wladimir Klitschko without being able to win a single round.

Who else did Lennox Lewis beat that is so much more impressive than Wlad's best opponents? Andrew Golota? No evidence he is any better than Kubrat Pulev.

Also, Lennox Lewis ducked / avoided every southpaw of his time. Wladimir Klitschko defeated undefeated southpaws like Sultan Ibragimov, who themselves beat Evander Holyfield more convincingly than Lennox Lewis did.

There is no reason to even assume that Lennox Lewis has the better heavyweight record. No evidence has been provided whatsoever. Hence, instead of being able to provide the evidence, the Lennox Lewis side takers can only make claims such as:

- Lennox Lewis is clearly the better boxer. Anybody arguing it is this and that.

- Lennox Lewis has the better resume and beat better boxers.

- I'm shocked that 7 people actually voted Wlad. Delusional asf

- Stats means nothing. Eye test matters more.

- Wladimir Klitschko's opponents suck. It's clear for everyone to see.


For all those claims made, there isn't any shred of evidence that proves them to be true.

Wladimir Klitschko boxed for longer against the best possible opponents. Has more wins against the best possible opponents. Has more title defenses in championship bouts against the best possible opponents. Has a higher knockout percentage in title bouts against the best possible opponents. Has more wins + knockouts in championship bouts against previously undefeated opponents, UN-KO'ed opponents or opponents with less than 5 losses.

The actual FACTS proves that Wladimir Klitschko is the greater / better heavyweight. The only proof for Lennox Lewis being better / greater is good old nostalgia and bias.

[Mr Objecitivity]

NOPE--It just shows the sheer arrogance and "holding on the past" ideology that boxing fans have

You didn't really need to post a poll when the actual facts (that I've presented) already proves that Wladimir Klitschko is the better / greater heavyweight, based on his record of more and better accomplishments / feats.

This isn't even subjective anymore. Objectively, Wladimir Klitschko is the better / greater heavyweight of the two and objectively, he has done better in his era than Lennox Lewis did during his era.

[Holler]

Good point so why did Lennox retire at 37 to avoid a VK rematch? 37 is not old right? I mean Wlad almost beat the no.1 heavyweight at 41 right? See where I'm going with this? Tyson was not at his best and neither was Evander and Holyfield managed a draw with Lewis.

Because he was 37 years old, extremely rich and as 3 times champ, 2 times lineal, last undisputed etc etc. had nothing left to prove? If I had that cv I'd need a lot of tempting to get back in the ring with a young VK who looked good before the cut. I think VK wins the rematch btw, time was catching up with Lewis. Not everyone ages at the same rate. But we'll never know for sure, maybe Lewis trains that much harder and schools VK in the rematch.

As for the 'draw' with Holyfield. Watch enough boxing and you'll see such decisions every so often. They inevitably result in further massive revenue generating contests. Funny that.

[Chaos]

I said he got up. Doesn't change the fact he got knocked unconscious for a few seconds.

Lewis got dropped and hurt badly. Never got disconnected like Wlad did.

Are you phvcking high? Lewis was asleep. Didn't know what planet he was on. Wlad got up EVERY single time, he wasn't counted out like a sleeping b!tch.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Are you phvcking high? Lewis was asleep. Didn't know what planet he was on. Wlad got up EVERY single time, he wasn't counted out like a sleeping b!tch.

According to some here. Being on the floor / ground for less than 5 = seconds sleeping. Wlad must be an alien then. Considering that would be the record for the shortest amount of time taken to fall asleep and then to become awake again.

[soul_survivor]

They are all 3 historical black figures..not sure why that is hard to understand or why you even care

I care because you pay at being black, you think posting that picture and a signature with Malcolm X will show you in a better light, so I was wondering if you had any idea of what your images mean. It is clear you do not.

If you look at what Malcolm X said, he basically described the type of coloured person who would one day be acceptable to white America and that is essentially *****. I do not think he would like to have been associated with that if he was still alive today.

That is my point.

[IronDanHamza]

I said he got up. Doesn't change the fact he got knocked unconscious for a few seconds.

Lewis got dropped and hurt badly. Never got disconnected like Wlad did.

Lewis was out cold when Rahman polaxed him.

[Robbie Barrett]

According to some here. Being on the floor / ground for less than 5 = seconds sleeping. Wlad must be an alien then. Considering that would be the record for the shortest amount of time taken to fall asleep and then to become awake again.

Nope. I've seen fighters get knocked unconscious and the wake when they hit the floor. It's clear Wlad is out of it in that gif why are you trying to argue it?