Roc Nation?

[DinoCop]

I remember when people said roc nation was taking over

I think that Jazy guy said it, in some song.

[Scipio2009]

actually they aren't at all. lol. They lost money on the Geale fight with the 50 million guarantee over 3 fights with Cotto. They lost money on all the Ward fights too.

It got them exposure but now they are talking about dropping their boxing division completely. They have Rigo who is banned from HBO and Showtime and little else.

They just had their B side fighter Luis Arias get shut out on HBO and just don't have much other talent. Mo Hooker isn't that great of a fighter and they won't even return Daniel Twitch Franco's calls after he nearly passed away and have abandoned him. They don't even put cards on anymore. They just farm out their middling prospects on other promoters cards.

RocNation didn't pay $50m for three fights with Miguel Cotto; from everything that was written about the agreement, RocNation paid Miguel Cotto Promotions a package worth $50m to help Cotto build up his concert business in Puerto Rico (to the tune of roughly $20m) and secure three fights from Miguel Cotto (of which only 2 of the fights actually ended up being delivered).

Cotto-Alvarez allegedly did 1 million homes on PPV; ignoring the alleged $15m that Golden Boy paid RocNation/Cotto to not have the fight in New York, you're easily talking about $35m being split between the camps from just the US PPV alone. lol.

I'd argue a few of the Ward fights too, but that'll be later.

Beyond that, Rigo's beef had always been with Top Rank/HBO; need to know what the deal says, but if Rigo beats Lomachenko in style, Showtime would literally have no issue with bringing Rigo on board to fight 126/122/130 were something to come up that makes sense to everyone.

[killakali]

RocNation didn't pay $50m for three fights with Miguel Cotto; from everything that was written about the agreement, RocNation paid Miguel Cotto Promotions a package worth $50m to help Cotto build up his concert business in Puerto Rico (to the tune of roughly $20m) and secure three fights from Miguel Cotto (of which only 2 of the fights actually ended up being delivered).

Cotto-Alvarez allegedly did 1 million homes on PPV; ignoring the alleged $15m that Golden Boy paid RocNation/Cotto to not have the fight in New York, you're easily talking about $35m being split between the camps from just the US PPV alone. lol.

I'd argue a few of the Ward fights too, but that'll be later.

Beyond that, Rigo's beef had always been with Top Rank/HBO; need to know what the deal says, but if Rigo beats Lomachenko in style, Showtime would literally have no issue with bringing Rigo on board to fight 126/122/130 were something to come up that makes sense to everyone.

Miguel Cotto took over 20 million of that $35m split by himself lol. Not counting Canelo or GBP. Remember Canelo and Cotto both get money funneled into their promotional companies too.

RNS was looking to get out of boxing after the Ward Kovalev rematch and BEFORE Ward announced his retirement. They haven't been successful at all. Why do you think they have abandoned Daniel Franco and haven't signed anymore fighters? Why do you think they gave Top Rank 3 options on Rigo? If Rigo pulls the upset he will be on ESPN not Showtime.

RNS wants out of boxing and will be out soon enough but they want to cut their losses which is understandable. Get a clue

[deanrw]

Roc Nation failed because of Broner. All roads lead to him and he refused to sign with them.

If Broner got your back, you are set for LIFE!

[Scipio2009]

Miguel Cotto took over 20 million of that $35m split by himself lol. Not counting Canelo or GBP. Remember Canelo and Cotto both get money funneled into their promotional companies too.

RNS was looking to get out of boxing after the Ward Kovalev rematch and BEFORE Ward announced his retirement. They haven't been successful at all. Why do you think they have abandoned Daniel Franco and haven't signed anymore fighters? Why do you think they gave Top Rank 3 options on Rigo? If Rigo pulls the upset he will be on ESPN not Showtime.

RNS wants out of boxing and will be out soon enough but they want to cut their losses which is understandable. Get a clue

If Cotto got $20m+ on the Alvarez fight, the guaranteed money owed for that fight was more than covered, right?

Who knows what the breakdown of the revenues actually was for the Geale fight, but RocNation delivered two Cotto fights, and the total take on those two fights was likely significantly beyond whatever the amount that was guaranteed to Cotto for two fights. The scale is different, but this whole thing sounds like the Floyd/CBS deal, for less dollars and a concert business to go with it.

Daniel "Twitch" Franco was 16-2-3, with two of his losses coming by KO at the 'solid prospect' level in the last year; what happened to him was unfortunate, but let's keep the conversation honest here.

And don't be a fool and think that Bob Arum, of all promoters, was going to put one of his feature fighters in a truly 50/50 fight and not demand at least 2 options just in case.

RocNation is in a spot, but their playing it out; get their guys opportunity wherever possible, have their guys perform well, and rebuild with whomever breaks through.

If Rigondeax beats Lomachenko, the deal is what it is (how you know that Arum got three options is beyond me; likely made that up, but whatever) but it's not like Arum has anyone near that weight that'd be better than Lomachenko; Rigo will fight out his time, and then RocNation will have an asset to shop in basically 16 months' time.

Farm out their prospects to smaller shows, be ready to answer the phone for whenever someone with a TV date comes calling, and be willing to take chances were they to come up (Luis Arias fighting Daniel Jacobs was easily three fights too soon, but they took the chance).

RocNation will be quiet for a bit, but to scratch them out is silly.

[killakali]

If Cotto got $20m+ on the Alvarez fight, the guaranteed money owed for that fight was more than covered, right?

Who knows what the breakdown of the revenues actually was for the Geale fight, but RocNation delivered two Cotto fights, and the total take on those two fights was likely significantly beyond whatever the amount that was guaranteed to Cotto for two fights. The scale is different, but this whole thing sounds like the Floyd/CBS deal, for less dollars and a concert business to go with it.

Daniel "Twitch" Franco was 16-2-3, with two of his losses coming by KO at the 'solid prospect' level in the last year; what happened to him was unfortunate, but let's keep the conversation honest here.

And don't be a fool and think that Bob Arum, of all promoters, was going to put one of his feature fighters in a truly 50/50 fight and not demand at least 2 options just in case.

RocNation is in a spot, but their playing it out; get their guys opportunity wherever possible, have their guys perform well, and rebuild with whomever breaks through.

If Rigondeax beats Lomachenko, the deal is what it is (how you know that Arum got three options is beyond me; likely made that up, but whatever) but it's not like Arum has anyone near that weight that'd be better than Lomachenko; Rigo will fight out his time, and then RocNation will have an asset to shop in basically 16 months' time.

Farm out their prospects to smaller shows, be ready to answer the phone for whenever someone with a TV date comes calling, and be willing to take chances were they to come up (Luis Arias fighting Daniel Jacobs was easily three fights too soon, but they took the chance).

RocNation will be quiet for a bit, but to scratch them out is silly.

google it. Arum told Dan Rafael about the options. He said it was the only way he would do it which is smart business. He still has Oscar Valdez, Nicholas Walters and Jessie Magdaleno he can match with Rigo on ESPN.

Roc fed Arias to the wolves because they are done. They have no shows coming up, haven't had any since Ward-Kovalev2 and with Rigo banned from HBO and no headline A side fighters they are stuck.

Thats why they were looking to get out of boxing and give Top Rank a co-promotional deal on Ward.

Rigo is 37 years old and just about done. Hooker will be a b side for a vacant WBO title soon, Dusty Harrison Hernandez is on the shelf...they got a few prospects like Darmani Rock and Lawson but thats about it

[Scipio2009]

google it. Arum told Dan Rafael about the options. He said it was the only way he would do it which is smart business. He still has Oscar Valdez, Nicholas Walters and Jessie Magdaleno he can match with Rigo on ESPN.

Roc fed Arias to the wolves because they are done. They have no shows coming up, haven't had any since Ward-Kovalev2 and with Rigo banned from HBO and no headline A side fighters they are stuck.

Thats why they were looking to get out of boxing and give Top Rank a co-promotional deal on Ward.

Rigo is 37 years old and just about done. Hooker will be a b side for a vacant WBO title soon, Dusty Harrison Hernandez is on the shelf...they got a few prospects like Darmani Rock and Lawson but thats about it

From your own words, the only way that Top Rank would even entertain having Rigo move up two full weight classes and fight Lomachenko was if Arum would allegedly get rights to Rigo's next three fights. Top Rank demanded the options to get the opportunity. lol.

Luis Arias was "fed to the wolves" because that was the best opportunity available for him; a tough fight, but it got him a main event spot on TV and put it on his skills to see where he was at. He came up short, but now he's on the radar (looking at the ratings, he's still rated highly and he's primed to be targeted by other middleweights looking to make a name for themselves in their own runs back, Gabriel Rosado and Jason Quigley both standing out the clearest).

Maurice Hooker will get his shot soon, and if he's good enough, he'll win. DHH will hopefully sort out whatever needs to be sorted out, but he'll likely end up getting his shot soon. And under that, you'll likely see RocNation prospects popping up on smaller shows wherever they can until the records get built up.

With Ward retiring, the "next man up" is Guillermo Rigondeax. If he beats Lomachenko, especially in style, the notion that Bob Arum will throw the rest of his young lions at him is foolish. You'll get a Lomachenko rematch, and then Arum will likely look for a trap (fight Walters when there's some doubt in my mind if Rigo will even hit the ring over 130lbs) before doing what he usually does on final options of deals.

Rigo is "37 years old", but he's never been brutalized in a fight; why does he have to be done? 18-0 if he beats Lomachenko, 19-0, If he gets the rematch and he'd be a 20-0 two-weight world champion.

With the consolidation currently under we could see RocNation and Rigo head to Showtime to take on whomever emerges as the new 126lb king (maybe I haven't seen enough of him fighting, but I don't think that Valdez is good enough to beat Frampton in Belfast this summer); to "make the deal" RocNation could leverage a couple ShoBox dates to then introduce the rest of their talent.

[killakali]

From your own words, the only way that Top Rank would even entertain having Rigo move up two full weight classes and fight Lomachenko was if Arum would allegedly get rights to Rigo's next three fights. Top Rank demanded the options to get the opportunity. lol.

Luis Arias was "fed to the wolves" because that was the best opportunity available for him; a tough fight, but it got him a main event spot on TV and put it on his skills to see where he was at. He came up short, but now he's on the radar (looking at the ratings, he's still rated highly and he's primed to be targeted by other middleweights looking to make a name for themselves in their own runs back, Gabriel Rosado and Jason Quigley both standing out the clearest).

Maurice Hooker will get his shot soon, and if he's good enough, he'll win. DHH will hopefully sort out whatever needs to be sorted out, but he'll likely end up getting his shot soon. And under that, you'll likely see RocNation prospects popping up on smaller shows wherever they can until the records get built up.

With Ward retiring, the "next man up" is Guillermo Rigondeax. If he beats Lomachenko, especially in style, the notion that Bob Arum will throw the rest of his young lions at him is foolish. You'll get a Lomachenko rematch, and then Arum will likely look for a trap (fight Walters when there's some doubt in my mind if Rigo will even hit the ring over 130lbs) before doing what he usually does on final options of deals.

Rigo is "37 years old", but he's never been brutalized in a fight; why does he have to be done? 18-0 if he beats Lomachenko, 19-0, If he gets the rematch and he'd be a 20-0 two-weight world champion.

With the consolidation currently under we could see RocNation and Rigo head to Showtime to take on whomever emerges as the new 126lb king (maybe I haven't seen enough of him fighting, but I don't think that Valdez is good enough to beat Frampton in Belfast this summer); to "make the deal" RocNation could leverage a couple ShoBox dates to then introduce the rest of their talent.

No, Luis Arias was "fed to the wolves" because RNS doesn't put on any cards anymore and won't. They have no fighters to even headline a show and no tv deal. Don't you get it? They are getting out of the boxing biz. I don't know why you think Showtime wants Rigo. Even if they did he is under contract for options with Top Rank. Haymon won't put his fighters in with Rigo. Why would he risk his guys when Rigo already has a promoter, a co-promoter, a manager and an adviser? Are you that dumb? Why would he needlessly risk his guys against Rigo when Rigo doesn't draw ratings and is boring? He also doesn't have a belt anymore so there is no incentive. Haymon isn't that ******.

RNS literally just buys spots on other peoples small cards to put their fighters like Darmani Rock and Lawson on other cards. That is it. Don't you get it? They aren't positioned to do anything. They lost money and didn't gain any traction. They aren't even interested anymore

[Scipio2009]

No, Luis Arias was "fed to the wolves" because RNS doesn't put on any cards anymore and won't. They have no fighters to even headline a show and no tv deal. Don't you get it? They are getting out of the boxing biz. I don't know why you think Showtime wants Rigo. Even if they did he is under contract for options with Top Rank. Haymon won't put his fighters in with Rigo. Why would he risk his guys when Rigo already has a promoter, a co-promoter, a manager and an adviser? Are you that dumb? Why would he needlessly risk his guys against Rigo when Rigo doesn't draw ratings and is boring? He also doesn't have a belt anymore so there is no incentive. Haymon isn't that ******.

RNS literally just buys spots on other peoples small cards to put their fighters like Darmani Rock and Lawson on other cards. That is it. Don't you get it? They aren't positioned to do anything. They lost money and didn't gain any traction. They aren't even interested anymore

If Rigondeax beats Lomachenko in style, there's not a single fighter under the Top Rank banner that beats him 122/126/130lbs.

With the consolidation happening at 126lbs, whomever emerges is going to need name opponents to fight to keep the paydays coming.

After the 18 months likely needed to have Arum's options run their course, Rigondeax would be a 40-year old fighter fighting above his head (Rigo is basically a 118lb fighter, competing on purely sublime skills) at 126/130.

If the 126lb undisputed champion is good enough, they'll likely be able show out against a 40-year old.

Still, for a company that's allegedly getting out of boxing, why in the **** are they still investing money in finding spots to develop their prospects?

[killakali]

If Rigondeax beats Lomachenko in style, there's not a single fighter under the Top Rank banner that beats him 122/126/130lbs.

With the consolidation happening at 126lbs, whomever emerges is going to need name opponents to fight to keep the paydays coming.

After the 18 months likely needed to have Arum's options run their course, Rigondeax would be a 40-year old fighter fighting above his head (Rigo is basically a 118lb fighter, competing on purely sublime skills) at 126/130.

If the 126lb undisputed champion is good enough, they'll likely be able show out against a 40-year old.

Still, for a company that's allegedly getting out of boxing, why in the **** are they still investing money in finding spots to develop their prospects?

Rigo will be done and there isn't any consolidation at 126 smh? Name the date and participants of the next unification bout.

As for RNS investing money in their fighters? They have contractual obligations they have to fulfill. If Rigo loses they can cut him lose or have him be the b side on another promoters card like Lou DiBella does with his fighters.

As for the young bucks they have cheap minimums. Why not keep Arias around if he is still a top 10 fighter. Eventually he can be a b side again in an eliminator. Thats what they will do with Mo Hooker. I guarantee you the don't promote that card