Comments Thread For: Bivol: Badou Jack Isn't a Coward; I Just Wasn't Worth the Risk

[satiev1]

Lol....you're hilarious. Cleverly is unknown and Bivol is now a killer.

That's not what I said dum ***. I said that the excuse that no one knows bivol is dumb because cleverly is an unknown bum in the states who's lost numerous times and yet jack fought him. It's a duck. Just admit it.

[satiev1]

It seems that the idea that if any fight whatsoever is not the biggest available payday, it's not considered a duck, has become the norm among many boxing fans, even if a great fight is being avoided in order to fight a terrible one. If Canelo refuses to fight GGG, but fights Chavez Jr instead, for example, because the Chavez Jr fight is worth 2% more (which didnt even turn out to be the case, just an example), then many fans will proclaim that that isn't a duck, even though Canelo-Chavez was a mismatch and GGG-Canelo was the fight people wanted to see.

The thing about this, though, is that it assumes the boxer will lose. For example, Jack shouldnt fight Bivol yet because he can get more money vs Stevenson, and since he either could or will lose to both of them, he needs to take the one for most money, as if it will be his last fight.

Except, many people on here think Jack would win. So how does that make sense? It's contradictory. Yes, you will make less to fight Bivol, but if you are actually confident you would beat Bivol, then you would fight him anyway, get that belt, and turn the Stevenson fight into a unification for double the money. You get two sizeable paydays instead of one, and you double the money in the second one.

For example, Jack fighting Nathan Cleverley was worth a lot less money, probably no more than a Bivol fight, and yet he took it. So if you are willing to fight Cleverley for say 700k, but not Bivol, how can you say it's about the money? The money is the same. The difference is you're not confident you can beat Bivol, which would **** up future fights, but you were confident you could beat Cleverley. So how is that not a duck, even if Bivol is worth less than Stevenson? Bivol is still a bigger payday for Jack than 90% of the fights he's taken in his career. He was willing to take those because the opponents were easier, but not Bivol because he's dangerous. So again, how is that not a duck?

Let's look at it another way. Bivol has the belt now. He is champ. He could make a lot of money fighting bums, rather than someone dangerous like Jack, build up his name, and then only ever fight someone good when it's a big PPV fight in the future. And yet he wants Jack, now, immediately, on HBO. How does that make sense? If Bivol is willing to fight Jack now even though it's low money and he's champ, but Jack is not willing to fight Bivol for the same money even though Bivol has a belt, how is that not a duck?

It's not as simple as "he can get more money elsewhere." If he thought he could beat Bivol, then he could get good money vs Bivol, and even MORE money vs Stevenson afterwards. The key part of this is not the money, but the clear implication that Jack is not confident he could beat Bivol, whereas Bivol is so confident he could beat Jack that he is willing to fight him in his very first title defense on regular HBO.

It's pathetic. Fan boys trying to justify why their fighter had a legit reason to give up a title and fight his mandatory. LMAO.

[AdonisCreed]

I like Bivol's comment!! He understands the game I respect that. Once a boxer gets to a certain status he either goes for the money or the legacy the fortunate obtain both.

[A.K]

And Stevenson isn’t?

[club fighter]

It's smart business sense, but it's still a duck.
Don't get me wrong, I like Jack as a fighter, and I don't blame him for the wise business move, but vacating a belt to avoid a mandatory is one of the bad things about boxing. (Along with having all these different belt organizations in the first place)

[Butt stuff]

You ignored the most important part probably because it doesn’t fit your agenda. Can you read? Where did I say he would be world class? Lmao. That’s not even the point of my post. We’re talking about Bivol-Jack just so you know

I was ridiculing your agenda. I think it’s clear Bivol isn’t a bum, he’s a good prospect. It’s ridiculous the amount of fighters that get called a “bum”. Did you call Jack a bum when he was knocked out by limited Edwards on the way up?

[P4Pdunny]

Right on the money here

[Herdis]

Bivol is being too nice to Jack. This was a blatant duck. What did he stand to gain from fighting Cleverly if he gains nothing from Bivol?

Also, he was gonna be fighting Bivol for the WBA title wasn't he? Wouldn't that have made his fight with Stevenson bigger and therefore worth more money if he was bringing a belt with him to make it a unification?

Also Stevenson is lined up to face Alvarez for a mandatory defense, so it's not like he can fight Stevenson right away. Fighting Bivol for the WBA while Stevenson defends his WBC against Alvarez would have made much more sense, especially if they put it on the same card. Then the winners meet in a unication showdown.

The only thing that doesn't make sense, financial or otherwise, is Jack dropping his title.

Well, it only makes sense if he's ducking, which he obviously is. There was much more to gain from having this fight than not having it. He wasn't confident he would win and pulled out, plain and simple.

Bivol is too nice for his own good.

Too nice? The man is a arrogant as hell

[Herdis]

Badou Jack fought an unknown bum in nathan cleverly. He had no issue with that. But he pissed his pants against bivol.

You are clearly an idiot,.. Clevely is a no body bum?

[Herdis]

Lol....you're hilarious. Cleverly is unknown and Bivol is now a killer.

That poster is an idiot