Canelo's Future as a Middleweight

[Mr.Fantastic]

THIS is a beautiful assessment. I knew Lil’G couldn’t beat or hurt a guy not intended as a Middleweight. I mean look at him, being smaller than Lil’G, he should be fighting at Cruiser since he’s already a LHW.

Lil’gs ******nite is guys that gas out, murk his face, gets paid by Oscar, murks his compubox. Black-Nelo 2.0 is here to stay.

Funny with Hagler as your avatar.

[DuckAdonis]

Canelo knocks most of these guys out, don't forget GGG's Granit chin

[REYESdelBOXEO]

Debunking : "The CANELO gassed vs. GGG Theory."

CANELO won all The Championship Rounds , Rounds 10 , 11 & 12 which sealed the deal on his victory over GGG. The number's don't lie:

*ROUND 10* : CANELO landed 15/38 power punches , at 39.5%

Compared to 11/35 power punches , at 31.4% for GGG

*ROUND 11* : CANELO landed 10/17 power punches at 58.8%

Compared to 9/30 power punches , at 30% for GGG

*ROUND 12* : CANELO landed 19/43 power punches , at 44.2%

Compared to 12/38 power punches , at 31.6%

-It's impossible to say CANELO gassed when he dominated the championship rounds.

CANELO proved he's the best middleweight in the world , I would favor him to beat GGG again , and also defeat Saunders , Lemieux Jacobs , Charlo & Andrade. Yet , I still want to see all of those fights , & I'm sure CANELO will deliver , because he's proven to Always Fight The Best & Fear No One.

[Ray Corso]

I know Canelo has the knowledge to fight at close range against the taller Middleweights that are in the division now. However his management and training staff and most importantly himself doesn't want to take that approach.
I believe they are concerned about taking on that work load when he gets depleted when moving on the outside.

I can see this kid working in & out and uses his head movement to press and get off while finishing off to the sides out of range of shots. This kid has the talent and skills but there seems to be a fear of "trying it"!
It might stem from his lack of aggression and over all stamina.

Not sure what the problem is but I see a pressure fighter with high skills able to avoid punches while at fairly close range.
Theres no reason to slide down the ropes like he did with GGG if your in there with 6' 175lb boxers who can catch up to your movement with ease. Of course most of these guys like Jacobs show an unwillingness to actually "fight"
but if they close hard and keep Canelo on defense I don't see him doing well against taller opponents.


He can't go back to 154 thats far to taxing at his age..

Ray

[Real King Kong]

Broner has never been stopped, even by Welters. He staggered Chino a couple times in the late rounds...dropped Porter with a flying left hook.

Alvarez must have some good fights lined up!

give it up man...broner is a complete bust. next Floyd doe...

[Real King Kong]

Debunking : "The CANELO gassed vs. GGG Theory."

CANELO won all The Championship Rounds , Rounds 10 , 11 & 12 which sealed the deal on his victory over GGG. The number's don't lie:

*ROUND 10* : CANELO landed 15/38 power punches , at 39.5%

Compared to 11/35 power punches , at 31.4% for GGG

*ROUND 11* : CANELO landed 10/17 power punches at 58.8%

Compared to 9/30 power punches , at 30% for GGG

*ROUND 12* : CANELO landed 19/43 power punches , at 44.2%

Compared to 12/38 power punches , at 31.6%

-It's impossible to say CANELO gassed when he dominated the championship rounds.

CANELO proved he's the best middleweight in the world , I would favor him to beat GGG again , and also defeat Saunders , Lemieux Jacobs , Charlo & Andrade. Yet , I still want to see all of those fights , & I'm sure CANELO will deliver , because he's proven to Always Fight The Best & Fear No One.

don't call it poor stamina if you want, but canelo's inability to fight a 3 min round lost him the fight. his work rate has never been good...which I think is partially due to him thinking he's a Floyd maywether type fighter. problem is, he's a poor man's version at best. if he's gonna fight like that, he has to do a better job of limiting his opponent's output...without that, a few flashy counters isn't enough to win rounds.

[MrClutch85]

Canelo gotta sharpen up his skills and stamina because at 160 I don't see him getting many stoppages/Knockouts against good MW's

[Afi23]

To be frank, I think Canelo's stamina will really screw him over at 160. He started off strong against GGG, but his activity took a major hit going into the middle rounds. It got so bad, that the judges had to save him. He has the size of a middleweight, but the other top level middleweights don't gas out like Canelo does. This isn't the first time this has happened, either. Canelo was putting in work on Austin Trout, but slowed himself down to the point that Trout wound up walking him down in the late rounds. If it weren't for the knockdown, the judges might've had to rob him blind. GGG was walking Canelo down too, but for much longer than Trout did. Against GGG, Canelo gave away rounds, because he could only manage to fight hard for like a minute, before going back to getting tagged on the ropes. Canelo was even slouched on his stool, during one of the breaks. I don't think he's gonna be able to deal with guys like Saunders, Jacobs, and Charlo. Hell, if he gasses out against even Lemieux, things could get ugly. If he doesn't do something about his conditioning, even the judges won't be able to help him. Tell me what you guys think, below.

Predictions for potential Canelo matchups

Daniel Jacobs, Demetrius Andrade and Jermall Charlo: I was initially going to do separate sections for each of them, but they all have many of the same advantages over Canelo. All three of them are around 6ft tall, have reaches ranging from 73-74in long, have knockout power, and are technically sound boxers. Canelo's also technically sound, but he's 5'9, and his reach is 70.5in long. If I had to list them from most to least powerful, It'd go like this: Jacobs, Charlo, then Andrade. Canelo's gonna have to work his way past their jabs, land effective punches on the inside, and move out before getting countered. 65-35 Jacobs. 60-40 Charlo. Canelo 50/Andrade 50.

Billy Joe Saunders: Saunders is a slick boxer, but according to his match against Monroe Jr, may get a bit wild with his punches. His reach is longer than Canelo's by an inch, and he's 2 inches taller than him too. I think this would be similar to Canelo vs Lara. Canelo, being the shorter man overall, would probably be the one pressing the fight. Saunders would probably be looking to counter Canelo coming in. Saunders looked pretty bad against the guy he fought before Monroe Jr, and hasn't been very active either, so I think Canelo has the edge. 55-45 Canelo.

David Lemieux: Lemieux's an inch taller than Canelo, and his reach is a 1/2 inch shorter. Lemieux's a pretty basic boxer. He pretty much just applies pressure until he knocks his opponent out, or vise-versa. GGG and Lemieux are similar in terms of power, but GGG couldn't stagger Canelo, so I doubt Lemieux would either. Lemieux has a solid chin, so I don't think he'd be afraid of Canelo's power. I think this match would go similarly to Canelo vs GGG, except Lemieux would probably take many more hits than the latter did. 60-40 Canelo.

GGG (rematch): GGG chased Canelo onto the ropes, and tagged him a bunch of times. Canelo did take the early rounds pretty easily, but he gassed out. He also did land some clean shots throughout the fight, but they were mostly few and far between. If Canelo doesn't gas out so early, he has a good chance at beating GGG by decision. However, stamina has been Canelo's issue for a while, so I don't think it's gonna be improved. I see a rematch going similar to how their actual fight went. 60-40 GGG.

Fair assessment but I'd like you opinion on the following:

I didn't get the impression that Andrade had "knockout" power at 160 in his fight versus Fox. Watching the fight, I didn't feel like Andrade punches were that powerful at 160 or at least powerful enough to get GGG's respect for example but time will tell.

In terms of raw power, I feel like on a "per punch basis", Lemieux is more powerful than GGG, he is more of a true "one punch knockout" than GGG. That being said, obviously, GGG is a better overall boxer than Lemieux, he has more "ways to deliver" his power on his opponent than Lemieux as seen when they fought each other.

As for Saunders, he might have stamina issues himself. To me, the most interesting "sub-plot" of the BJS vs Lemieux fight is "who will be gassed out first". BJS can outbox Lemieux, but he might get caught in the championship rounds if he tires out. However, by the time BJS is vulnerable, Lemieux might himself be gassed out also!

[Zaroku]

To be frank, I think Canelo's stamina will really screw him over at 160. He started off strong against GGG, but his activity took a major hit going into the middle rounds. It got so bad, that the judges had to save him. He has the size of a middleweight, but the other top level middleweights don't gas out like Canelo does. This isn't the first time this has happened, either. Canelo was putting in work on Austin Trout, but slowed himself down to the point that Trout wound up walking him down in the late rounds. If it weren't for the knockdown, the judges might've had to rob him blind. GGG was walking Canelo down too, but for much longer than Trout did. Against GGG, Canelo gave away rounds, because he could only manage to fight hard for like a minute, before going back to getting tagged on the ropes. Canelo was even slouched on his stool, during one of the breaks. I don't think he's gonna be able to deal with guys like Saunders, Jacobs, and Charlo. Hell, if he gasses out against even Lemieux, things could get ugly. If he doesn't do something about his conditioning, even the judges won't be able to help him. Tell me what you guys think, below.

Predictions for potential Canelo matchups

Daniel Jacobs, Demetrius Andrade and Jermall Charlo: I was initially going to do separate sections for each of them, but they all have many of the same advantages over Canelo. All three of them are around 6ft tall, have reaches ranging from 73-74in long, have knockout power, and are technically sound boxers. Canelo's also technically sound, but he's 5'9, and his reach is 70.5in long. If I had to list them from most to least powerful, It'd go like this: Jacobs, Charlo, then Andrade. Canelo's gonna have to work his way past their jabs, land effective punches on the inside, and move out before getting countered. 65-35 Jacobs. 60-40 Charlo. Canelo 50/Andrade 50.

Billy Joe Saunders: Saunders is a slick boxer, but according to his match against Monroe Jr, may get a bit wild with his punches. His reach is longer than Canelo's by an inch, and he's 2 inches taller than him too. I think this would be similar to Canelo vs Lara. Canelo, being the shorter man overall, would probably be the one pressing the fight. Saunders would probably be looking to counter Canelo coming in. Saunders looked pretty bad against the guy he fought before Monroe Jr, and hasn't been very active either, so I think Canelo has the edge. 55-45 Canelo.

David Lemieux: Lemieux's an inch taller than Canelo, and his reach is a 1/2 inch shorter. Lemieux's a pretty basic boxer. He pretty much just applies pressure until he knocks his opponent out, or vise-versa. GGG and Lemieux are similar in terms of power, but GGG couldn't stagger Canelo, so I doubt Lemieux would either. Lemieux has a solid chin, so I don't think he'd be afraid of Canelo's power. I think this match would go similarly to Canelo vs GGG, except Lemieux would probably take many more hits than the latter did. 60-40 Canelo.

GGG (rematch): GGG chased Canelo onto the ropes, and tagged him a bunch of times. Canelo did take the early rounds pretty easily, but he gassed out. He also did land some clean shots throughout the fight, but they were mostly few and far between. If Canelo doesn't gas out so early, he has a good chance at beating GGG by decision. However, stamina has been Canelo's issue for a while, so I don't think it's gonna be improved. I see a rematch going similar to how their actual fight went. 60-40 GGG.

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Juxtapose and encapsulate then we talk ..

[Zaroku]

THIS is a beautiful assessment. I knew Lil’G couldn’t beat or hurt a guy not intended as a Middleweight. I mean look at him, being smaller than Lil’G, he should be fighting at Cruiser since he’s already a LHW.

Lil’gs ******nite is guys that gas out, murk his face, gets paid by Oscar, murks his compubox. Black-Nelo 2.0 is here to stay.

This mofo ^^^^ dayum
Double dayum homie speaking truth better than I could