Who was the more proven fighter...

[john l]

Kovalev was more proven. BUT, in relation to the subject, you're right. Kovalev was hyped a bit too much on Hopkins and Pascal wins. People said ****** things like him already having faced people on Ward's level but Ward never faced anyone like him. Well, truth came out and it was what I said all along. Kovalev is really good. But, he lacked inside game and his stamina was shaky.

Now that we've seen their ceilings, looking back, I think they're both about as good as I expected them to be, maybe just slightly less. Neither is a hype job. Neither is incredible. Both are really good fighters.

Well put..

[Squ□redCircle34]

Kovalev no questions about it!

Beating a HOF ATG legend in Hopkins who was on a hot streak schooling fighters younger than him while unifying and then the way he beat him...beats out anything GGG does at this point!

GGG's best thing going for him is barely getting by Daniel Jacobs and getting a gift draw from a 160 debut Canelo who schooled him, but somehow everyone else gives him sympathy cuz he comes forward and takes punches!

GGG trainer talkd that ish about Kov and I was hoping for GGG to chase legacy and move up to 175 and fight Kov!

Of course it will never happen!

Kov chased legacy while GGG chosed money!

[Scipio2009]

Macklin and was top 10 so was Murry no killers but ranked fighters even Rubio I think was ranked at bottom of most top 10s

No idea where you got your rankings from but both Macklin and Murray were found to be lacking when they ever stepped in with any fighter with even near top-level ability.

All you have to do is look at their records and who they've fought; Macklin and Murray are basically just above Euro-level fighters.

[john l]

No idea where you got your rankings from but both Macklin and Murray were found to be lacking when they ever stepped in with any fighter with even near top-level ability.

All you have to do is look at their records and who they've fought; Macklin and Murray are basically just above Euro-level fighters.

They were both ranked by trans and the THE RING and id bet even espn when they fought GGG.All bottom 3rd but still ranked.Unless you go by Boxrec(which rates canelo pfp #1 and Spence ranked 6th at 47 4 spots below Jeff Horn.And just above Euro Level is World level.

[john l]

And even dumbazz boxrec rating prob had them ranked.

[john l]

I love how guys will crap all over top 10 or even top 20 fighters.How many guys on here are one of the top 100 guys in their city at what they do.Much less being top 20 in the world at their weight.It amazes me.

[BoxingIsGreat]

I'd would have to go with GGG. Sheer competition he is much better. The names on his resume, although not that good, are better than what Kovalev has. Overall, I think Kovalev is the better, more exciting boxer.

[Vlad_]

Neither of them are hype jobs, and both are at the top of their divisions.

[LetOutTheCage]

Pascal and Chilemba had both shown themselves to be world-level operators before stepping in with Kovalev.

Looking through Golovkin's entire run, the only time that he stepped in with a fighter who had already proven to be truly be world level was earnestly the Daniel Geale fight.

Martin Murray wasn't a world level fighter? He should of had wins over Sturm and Martinez in their home grounds.

[Scipio2009]

They were both ranked by trans and the THE RING and id bet even espn when they fought GGG.All bottom 3rd but still ranked.Unless you go by Boxrec(which rates canelo pfp #1 and Spence ranked 6th at 47 4 spots below Jeff Horn.And just above Euro Level is World level.

Sergio, Cotto, Geale, Quillin, and Golovkin (almost purely on hype) were the top middleweights; once you got passed that top 5, you were arguing about so-so and bull**** fighters.

The current welterweight division is literally almost 10 deep on top flight talent. Thurman, Spence, Garcia, Porter, Kell Brook, seemingly Crawford, Pacquiao is on his way out, Khan when not getting clipped and you can throw Horn in because of his belt. Underneath that, you have Lamont Peterson, Jesse Vargas, Yordenis Ugas, and other solid fighters to look at.