Comments Thread For: Artur Beterbiev, Sergey Kovalev Eager To Settle Their Old Dispute

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  • GrandmasterWang
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    #41
    Originally posted by Boxing Logic
    Agreed. We can't pretend, because you can only pretend things that aren't already true. We can say Kovalev never lost to Ward, however, because he didn't. We all know boxing is corrupt, and that official decisions are often inaccurate. In those cases, we as fans have to trust what we actually saw happen, not simply put blind trust into judges or referees or commissions who have a history of corruption and favoring the hometown money-making boxer.

    With that understood, there are really only two ways to look at the outcome of the two Kovalev-Ward fights. One way is that Kovalev is 1-0-1, with him winning the first fight, and the second fight being a No Contest due to a corrupt or incompetent ref who did not allow the fight to take place on fair terms according to the rules of boxing, and who then did not even allow the slanted, unfair fight he had presided over to come to a true ending where we could have determined the winner of even the fight that was taking place under slanted rules.

    The other way is that Kovalev is 2-0-0, having won the first fight on the cards, and having won the second fight by disqualification. Given that Kovalev was "stopped" by a corrupt or incompetent referee, but video replay shows the stoppage to have been caused by a series of intentional fouls, really the closest thing to a true result that fans can fish out of the unfinished mess that Tony Weeks created is for fans to say that the ref must have stopped Kovalev because he was hurt and could not continue, and the punches that hurt Kovalev to the extent that the ref stopped it were intentional fouls, so therefore the rules say Ward should have been disqualified.

    Those are the only true results any fan can come to about the Kovalev-Ward fights when you ignore the corrupt scorecards and referees and add up what actually happened. 1-0-1 or 2-0-0. Kovalev outlanded, outhurt, and outdropped Ward in the first fight, while being the effective aggressor all night. Corrupt hometown judges aside, we all know that means he won. The second fight was an extremely corrupt affair where the hometown ref stopped a fight after a series of intentional low blows in a fight where neither man had even tasted the canvas once. In addition to that series of intentional fouls, the only legitimate punch Ward actually hurt Kovalev with, the right hand to the head in the final round, was set up by an intentional headbutt to Kovalev's temple AND another intentional headbutt to his balls.

    So I mean, when you have a boxer intentionally headbutting their opponent in the balls, and that's not even the worst foul they commit all fight, then yeah, disqualification is actually a very reasonable idea as well. That's why I say, the only two true, reasonable outcomes any objective fan could have here is that it's either 1-0-1 Kovalev, or 2-0-0 Kovalev. Either way, Ward never beat Kovalev, that's for sure.
    I agree with a lot of what you posted.... however....I never remember seeing Ward Headbutt Kovalev in the balls. Do you have a gif?

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    • Vlad_
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      #42
      Originally posted by GrandmasterWang
      I agree with a lot of what you posted.... however....I never remember seeing Ward Headbutt Kovalev in the balls. Do you have a gif?
      Enjoy my sig, good sir.

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      • Superbee
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        #43
        "I will not go into a verbal war in the public square with him to get his attention," said Beterbiev. "He talks a lot, but this isn't my style. I have no hatred towards him. I respect him as an athlete for what he has done, but I can't evaluate him as a person."
        That's Artur right there in a glimpse.... No trash talk, no fuzzy linings... Don't expect fireworks in the pressers too... I think he puts Kovalev to shame... People don't realise the patch work he did on Koelling face just "working inside" and not applying too much power... But of course I'm biased...

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          #44
          Originally posted by kafkod
          Kovalev didn't "refuse to accept the fight"
          Yes he did. A purse bid was ordered under the terms he had demanded (50/50) and then he refused to accept the fight.


          Stevenson's promoter refused to negotiate with Duva and requested an immediate purse bid,
          There was nothing to negotiate. Duva wanted the fight on HBO. GYM wanted the fight on whichever network paid the most. Why waste any time? It was an impossible impasse. The only way to solve it is a purse bid. GYM knew Duva was bluffing and called her bluff. Duva never intended to accept the fight. The whole thing was a ruse to try to force Stevenson to be stripped.


          knowing that this would force Duva to withdraw Kovalev from his mandatory position and thereby kill the fight.
          Think about what you're saying here. You're saying it's GYM fault that Kovalev ducked the fight because GYM should have known Kovalev would duck the fight if GYM tried to force the fight.

          Absolute madness. You're not making any sense.

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          • Shane1091
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            #45
            Originally posted by KrusherStan
            Kovalev offered the fight when Beterbiev wasn't mandatory and he (Artur) wanted that mandatory status to gain more money if it went to a purse bid.
            I hear this argument allot and am not sticking up for beterbiev but he was fasting for the whole month which after fasting for 13 hours a day for a whole month weakens you allot. KOVALEV offered the fight a month after which would have meant he would have had a massive advantage and a fight of that magnatiute you cant accept when your no way near 100%. Beterbiev doesn't duck anyone he will fight anyone and imo right now after his last fight he losses to Kovalev and the other Russians in the divisions.

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            • Alx.
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              #46
              Beterbiev can't wait to rip Kovalev to the body

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              • LetOutTheCage
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                #47
                Beterbiev should be ready now, he needs to take these kind of fights. I believe he beats and stops Kovalev.

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                • MulaKO
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                  #48
                  Beterbiev batters him for 3 to 4 rounds
                  And then the ko
                  I think Kovalev will have a hard time with that kind of power on the inside
                  Artur’s power is something else and involve the hatred factor

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                  • g27region
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                    #49
                    If Kovalev will lose again, he's going to blame Illuminati, Ward, referee, judges, Kathy Duva, Egis Klimas, new trainer, old trainer John David Jackson, headache, Jay-Z and Beyonce, Americans, cold water in his training camp, bad lighting in the ring, rainy weather, bad mood, trunks that doesn't fit, Buffer for screaming too loud
                    Last edited by g27region; 11-17-2017, 05:17 AM.

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                    • kafkod
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                      #50
                      Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF
                      Yes he did. A purse bid was ordered under the terms he had demanded (50/50) and then he refused to accept the fight.




                      There was nothing to negotiate. Duva wanted the fight on HBO. GYM wanted the fight on whichever network paid the most. Why waste any time? It was an impossible impasse. The only way to solve it is a purse bid. GYM knew Duva was bluffing and called her bluff. Duva never intended to accept the fight. The whole thing was a ruse to try to force Stevenson to be stripped.




                      Think about what you're saying here. You're saying it's GYM fault that Kovalev ducked the fight because GYM should have known Kovalev would duck the fight if GYM tried to force the fight.

                      Absolute madness. You're not making any sense.
                      I have thought about what I'm saying. I've also thought about what you're saying. You are spinning facts in an attempt to turn black into white, night into day, left into right, up into down.

                      Maybe you are trying to decieve other people. Maybe you are driven to decieve yourself about some aspects of reality.

                      If the former .. it won't work with me.

                      If the latter ... you have achieved your goal. Well done!

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