Wilder beats him, maybe Ortiz could give him trouble
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Originally posted by sotgoda View PostThis is the problem here. Boxing is not mathematics. No one in their right minds would have put Whyte and Takam anywhere near Stiverne until this past weekend. The facts are clear - AJ's resume and Wilder's are effectively the same with AJ having an advantage of facing a former emperor in his decline. Now, AJ should and clearly deserves credit for taking such risk in his 19th fight. Respect!
But, acting like AJ has world beaters on his resume is just plain ridiculous. I will still pick Stiverne to beat both Whyte and Takam should they meet in the future. Please, let's stop with the hyping of Whyte. Go watch his interview after fighting Helenius. Even his body language showed that he knew he sucked and has almost no chance against Wilder.
Maybe Whyte if B-Ware was in shape (unlikely). But Takam beats the crap out of Stiverne.
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Originally posted by Tom Cruise View Post
Maybe Whyte if B-Ware was in shape (unlikely). But Takam beats the crap out of Stiverne.
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Originally posted by sotgoda View PostAs "out of shape" as B-Ware was, you have to remember that Whyte does not have a strong punch. Stiverne has built a reputation of being difficult to stop. Further, Stiverne has this nasty left hook which he uses a lot after playing dead for minutes or rounds. Then, Stiverne and Whyte are closer in height and reach which was a big reason why Stiverne struggled with Wilder. Takam has even less chances of beating Stiverne - he is durable but does not mount enough offense. So, I see this being a unanimous decision or a split for Stiverne.
He beat Tony Thompson when Thompson was a solid contender.
He gave Joshua a good fight on 12 days notice (though he may have been training before that).
Stiverne has two wins over massively overrated Arreola and two abysmal performances against Wilder.
Takam is the better fighter in every way. Better footwork, more varied skillset, more heart, tougher, better stamina better defence, counters, everything really.
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Originally posted by Tom Cruise View PostTakam has good performances with Povetkin (great fight if you havent watched it), PArker, and should have beat Perez.
He beat Tony Thompson when Thompson was a solid contender.
He gave Joshua a good fight on 12 days notice (though he may have been training before that).
Stiverne has two wins over massively overrated Arreola and two abysmal performances against Wilder.
Takam is the better fighter in every way. Better footwork, more varied skillset, more heart, tougher, better stamina better defence, counters, everything really.
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Originally posted by Tom Cruise View PostTakam has good performances with Povetkin (great fight if you havent watched it), PArker, and should have beat Perez.
He beat Tony Thompson when Thompson was a solid contender.
He gave Joshua a good fight on 12 days notice (though he may have been training before that).
Stiverne has two wins over massively overrated Arreola and two abysmal performances against Wilder.
Takam is the better fighter in every way. Better footwork, more varied skillset, more heart, tougher, better stamina better defence, counters, everything really.
In reality, Stiverne has no decent wins. Nor has Wilder.
That being the case, I don't know why a lot of posters on this US boxing forum are so high on Wilder....
Whatever sells the tickets and keeps boxing exciting I suppose
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Originally posted by sotgoda View PostThis is the problem here. Boxing is not mathematics. No one in their right minds would have put Whyte and Takam anywhere near Stiverne until this past weekend. The facts are clear - AJ's resume and Wilder's are effectively the same with AJ having an advantage of facing a former emperor in his decline. Now, AJ should and clearly deserves credit for taking such risk in his 19th fight. Respect!
But, acting like AJ has world beaters on his resume is just plain ridiculous. I will still pick Stiverne to beat both Whyte and Takam should they meet in the future. Please, let's stop with the hyping of Whyte. Go watch his interview after fighting Helenius. Even his body language showed that he knew he sucked and has almost no chance against Wilder.
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personally think Povetkin is too small and Ortiz looked like crap against malik scott and dave allen.
Wilder and Fury could. realistically. However, I don't think Wilder will, but Fury would make a mockery of both those guys imo beating both with ease.
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