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  • Clegg
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    #41
    Originally posted by kushking
    if Wilder was from UK hed be even bigger than AJ by now, I mean ffs the UK ate up mcgimpers "fight" vs may just because hes a loudmouth hypejob bum from Ireland.
    WTF? Millions of Yanks paid to watch Floyd-McGregor, far more than in the UK, yet somehow that fight is a reflection of the level of shit British fans will pay for rather than Americans?

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    • lowblows420
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      #42
      Well Oscar you had 33 chances to turn him into a star

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      • kushking
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        #43
        Originally posted by Clegg
        WTF? Millions of Yanks paid to watch Floyd-McGregor, far more than in the UK, yet somehow that fight is a reflection of the level of shit British fans will pay for rather than Americans?
        Bs it broke a european record for ppvs which also costed way more than any other ppvs. Even in uk they were$100 ffs & yet not a single boxers ppv cost anywhere near $100 ,AJ ppv's are like 15£.

        Bottom line u missed the point entirely as the point was that if mcgimper can be a huge draw in uk then so can Wilder for the same reasons & more, because he has a loud mouth persona & has a belt,which is also why Fury vs AJ would be far bigger than vs Bellew because Fury is like Wilder, that's why he turns heads with his big mouth.

        You Brits need to lighten up, just because I say that the casuals that make up majority of fanbase anywhere are willing to pay to watch any loudmouth with a platform in the UK, it's not disparaging anyone.
        Last edited by kushking; 11-11-2017, 06:30 AM.

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        • Bob Haymon
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          #44
          Originally posted by kushking
          Bs it broke a european record for ppvs which also costed way more than any other ppvs. Even in uk they were$100 ffs & yet not a single boxers ppv cost anywhere near $100 ,AJ ppv's are like 15£.
          You are misinformed. They only broke a record in the UK because Ireland is included in the Sky PPV numbers. "The Money Fight " was the same price as Wlad-AJ. Conor might be a draw in the UK but his level of popularity is speculative because the PPV numbers are artificially weighted in his favor by including his home country.

          It's a huge stretch to compare Wilder and McGregor, anyways, because Conor is already a huge star in the US. Wilder is nowhere close to Conor's level of popularity in the US and therefore he likely wouldn't be a draw in the UK.
          Last edited by Bob Haymon; 11-11-2017, 07:51 AM.

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          • soul_survivor
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            #45
            It is weird that fighters on showtime just dont seem to make a splash. Wilder, Thurman, Porter and so on just arent stars or even approaching that level.

            Spence has made more of a splash and is probably more widely known simply because he ofught in the UK on a Hearn card.

            Heck, shows bets known guy is still probably AB and he was made over on HBO.

            Why is that?

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            • Clegg
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              #46
              Originally posted by kushking
              Bs it broke a european record for ppvs which also costed way more than any other ppvs. Even in uk they were$100 ffs & yet not a single boxers ppv cost anywhere near $100 ,AJ ppv's are like 15£.

              Bottom line u missed the point entirely as the point was that if mcgimper can be a huge draw in uk then so can Wilder for the same reasons & more, because he has a loud mouth persona & has a belt,which is also why Fury vs AJ would be far bigger than vs Bellew because Fury is like Wilder, that's why he turns heads with his big mouth.

              You Brits need to lighten up, just because I say that the casuals that make up majority of fanbase anywhere are willing to pay to watch any loudmouth with a platform in the UK, it's not disparaging anyone.
              I'm lightened up, not suggesting anything you said was insulting, but what you're saying is just plain incorrect is all. McGregor is more of a draw in the US than the UK, that's a fact, you picked a bad example to prove a point and used bad info to justify it. The May-Mac PPV was the exact same price as the Joshua-Takam PPV in the UK, not sure where you read that they were so far apart in price?

              You are saying all it takes to be a draw in the UK is a big mouth persona and a belt, then why is AJ so much more popular and £££ generating than Tyson Fury? The fact is that the biggest UK draw is someone who doesn't have a big mouth and rather than accept that, you're bending reality all over the place just because you want to act like Wilder would be a super big draw.

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              • Bob Haymon
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                #47
                Golden Boy would fail just as bad if not worse than Haymon and DiBella in making Wilder into a star. Most of the big names Golden Boy has had were already established before signing with Oscar. Golden Boy never had a great track record of creating stars but they did have good financial and tv network backing that allowed them to survive so long without much homegrown talent.

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                • MisanthropicNY
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                  #48
                  Originally posted by Pennsauken1
                  Disagree with Oscar, Wilder is a star already
                  Stars don't make $1 million as a career-high and stars fight on PPV...

                  Joshua makes $15 mil min. and fights on PPV every time... that's a star.

                  Wilder makes $1 mil and fights in front of single-digit crowds.

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                  • BodiesInFlight
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                    #49
                    Originally posted by Pennsauken1
                    Disagree with Oscar, Wilder is a star already

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                      #50
                      De la holic needs to worry about his own fighters.

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