Official: Anthony Joshua VS Deontay Wilder Master Thread

[bigjavi973]

Like I said before, there are plenty of people who post rubbish because they are idiots.

and you didnt even try to refute what I posted

fuggin betta

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I have seen comments posted by you admitting that fight contracts don't always have a date or venue when first signed.

That is correct. Frank Warren has had several fighters sign contracts to fight Tyson Fury that didn't guarantee the fight would be next and now those fighters are waiting around in limbo. Shannon Briggs is one of those fighters.

The contract Wilder was sent didn't have a date or venue because Hearn was working against a deadline set by the WBA and needed Wilder's signature fast.

That's simply not true. The WBA "deadline" was a smokescreen. Hearn acted like he needed a fight signed in 24 hours, yet several days went by and Povetkin's team admitted the fight still hadn't been signed. The only thing that would have happened if the WBA's deadline passed was that the WBA would have started the process of ordering a purse bid, which can take several weeks, giving Hearn plenty of time to still sign with either Wilder or Povetkin as the purse bid order is meaningless until 15 minutes before the envelopes are opened.

The Povetkin fight wasn't signed, yet Hearn had no problem having a date & venue lined up. There's no reason he shouldn't have had a date & venue lined up for the Wilder fight even though it wasn't signed. Hearn said he'd tell Finkel the date in a few days, Finkel said no problem. A few days went by and Hearn emailed Finkel to tell him they'd decided to fight Povetkin first, so the date would be April 2019.

After telling Finkel that the contract was for a fight this year, and telling the WBA the same thing, and publically telling fans and journalists that the fight would be AJ's next, Hearn could not have switched that to April 2019 without voiding the contract and getting himself in a world of trouble.

When Hearn was "telling" Finkel is meaningless if it isn't reflected in the contract. So the idea that Wilder could have signed a blank contract to force AJ to fight him in 2018 simply isn't true. You're right the contract likely would have been void, but the problem is so many of you are arguing that Wilder could have signed and forced AJ to fight him next. Which isn't so. Wilder never ever had the opportunity to sign to fight AJ in 2018.

[kafkod]

That is correct. Frank Warren has had several fighters sign contracts to fight Tyson Fury that didn't guarantee the fight would be next and now those fighters are waiting around in limbo. Shannon Briggs is one of those fighters.




That's simply not true. The WBA "deadline" was a smokescreen. Hearn acted like he needed a fight signed in 24 hours, yet several days went by and Povetkin's team admitted the fight still hadn't been signed. The only thing that would have happened if the WBA's deadline passed was that the WBA would have started the process of ordering a purse bid, which can take several weeks, giving Hearn plenty of time to still sign with either Wilder or Povetkin as the purse bid order is meaningless until 15 minutes before the envelopes are opened.

The Povetkin fight wasn't signed, yet Hearn had no problem having a date & venue lined up. There's no reason he shouldn't have had a date & venue lined up for the Wilder fight even though it wasn't signed. Hearn said he'd tell Finkel the date in a few days, Finkel said no problem. A few days went by and Hearn emailed Finkel to tell him they'd decided to fight Povetkin first, so the date would be April 2019.




When Hearn was "telling" Finkel is meaningless if it isn't reflected in the contract. So the idea that Wilder could have signed a blank contract to force AJ to fight him in 2018 simply isn't true. You're right the contract likely would have been void, but the problem is so many of you are arguing that Wilder could have signed and forced AJ to fight him next. Which isn't so. Wilder never ever had the opportunity to sign to fight AJ in 2018.

You have no idea what was and wasn't in the contract. It was clearly a contract for AJ and Wilder to fight each next or the WBA would not have delayed ordering AJ to fight Povetkin.

And, for the 20th time .. Hearn did not "decide to fight Povetkin first, he was ordered to fight him first by the WBA because Wilder lost his pen and did not sign the contract Hearn sent him.

Dismissing that as a "smokescreen" is idiotic.

Povetkin's promoter has already successfully sued Wilder and Haymon, and he would not have hesitated to do the same to Hearn and the WBA if they had lied to him about Povetkin's mando. Andrey Ryabinsky is not the kind of man you can play games like that with.

If Wilder had signed the contract he would have been fighting AJ next, and everybody outside of Wilder's brain dead fan club know it.

[kafkod]

and you didnt even try to refute what I posted

fuggin betta

Fckn half-wit omega maggot.

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You have no idea what was and wasn't in the contract. It was clearly a contract for AJ and Wilder to fight each next or the WBA would not have delayed ordering AJ to fight Povetkin.

That doesn't make any sense because even according to Hearn's own story, extensions were granted before he ever sent a contract. The idea that the extensions were being granted based on the WBA reading the contract to make sure it guaranteed the fight was next is absolutely ridiculous. That's not how it works.

Finkel says the contract didn't guarantee the fight was next and Hearn has never denied that. Hearn has never ever claimed that the contract guaranteed the fight was next. Hearn's own version of events was that he was working on getting a date and ran out of time. Which is still a lie as he didn't run out of time, but it also shows the contract never guaranteed the fight was next.

And, for the 20th time .. Hearn did not "decide to fight Povetkin first, he was ordered to fight him first by the WBA because Wilder lost his pen and did not sign the contract Hearn sent him.

That's simply not true. Hearn's own version of events show that isn't true. Wilder couldn't "lose his pen" because he never had a contract stating the fight was next. Hearn said he needed a few more days ands when those few days were up, Hearn said he was going with Povetkin, but was willing to do the fight in April.

You can't say the WBA forced his hand because clearly the 24 hour deadline was meaningless since days later Povetkin's side said nothing was signed yet. Meaning there actually was time to allow Wilder to sign that Friday, Hearn just didn't want him to.

[bigjavi973]

Fckn half-wit omega maggot.

still didn't refute what I stated


why dont you at least try

[SterlingStained]

i was gonna root for joshua until i found out he's a muzzy.

wilder just doesnt have an endearing persona or style.

[kafkod]

That doesn't make any sense because even according to Hearn's own story, extensions were granted before he ever sent a contract. The idea that the extensions were being granted based on the WBA reading the contract to make sure it guaranteed the fight was next is absolutely ridiculous. That's not how it works.

Finkel says the contract didn't guarantee the fight was next and Hearn has never denied that. Hearn has never ever claimed that the contract guaranteed the fight was next. Hearn's own version of events was that he was working on getting a date and ran out of time. Which is still a lie as he didn't run out of time, but it also shows the contract never guaranteed the fight was next.




That's simply not true. Hearn's own version of events show that isn't true. Wilder couldn't "lose his pen" because he never had a contract stating the fight was next. Hearn said he needed a few more days ands when those few days were up, Hearn said he was going with Povetkin, but was willing to do the fight in April.

You can't say the WBA forced his hand because clearly the 24 hour deadline was meaningless since days later Povetkin's side said nothing was signed yet. Meaning there actually was time to allow Wilder to sign that Friday, Hearn just didn't want him to.

Irrelevant. The WBA didn't tell Hearn he had to sign contracts with Povetkin within 24 hours, they told him this:

"It appears the Wilder team have not returned the contract for the fight and therefore we are requesting a date for the Joshua versus Povetkin fight with immediate effect."

They told Hearn to give them a date, and he gave them a date. You can't just dismiss a mandatory order from a sanctioning organisation to one of their champions as "meaningless" - simply because it doesn't fit your agenda.

Why did Wilder fight Stiverne again? Because the WBC ordered him to?

So what, doesn't mean he had to do it ...

See how that works?

Wilder could have fought AJ next, all he had to do was sign the contract he asked for, on the terms he had already agreed to.

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Irrelevant. The WBA didn't tell Hearn he had to sign contracts with Povetkin within 24 hours, they told him this:

"It appears the Wilder team have not returned the contract for the fight and therefore we are requesting a date for the Joshua versus Povetkin fight with immediate effect."

And the worst thing that would have happened is that they'd order a purse bid, which could then be canceled when the Wilder fight was signed.

They told Hearn to give them a date, and he gave them a date. You can't just dismiss a mandatory order from a sanctioning organisation to one of their champions as "meaningless" - simply because it doesn't fit your agenda.

The order was meaningless because Wilder was willing to sign that week and a purse bid couldn't have been ordered and held that quickly.

Why did Wilder fight Stiverne again? Because the WBC ordered him to?

Unification takes priority over mandatory, and even in the Stiverne situation, Wilder still found a way to delay so he could fight King Kong. It was only when King Kong failed a test that Wilder ended up having to fight Stiverne next.

Wilder could have fought AJ next, all he had to do was sign the contract he asked for, on the terms he had already agreed to.

The contract didn't reflect the terms agreed to. The terms agreed to was that the fight would be NEXT. The contract conveniently left out any language guaranteeing the fight would be next.