Comments Thread For: Jeff Horn Warns: Do Not Underestimate Me in Crawford Fight!

[The Big Dunn]

It's going to be a joy to watch Crawford annihilate this sorry fuckbwoy loser.

[chrisJS]

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So what you are saying is Pac fought Barrera and Morales at 140? Or even JMM?
How was Cotto fresh when he was forced to fight at 145? As for Bradley, there goes your credibility. Bradley was a joke. Can you name any elite guys that Bradley has beaten? He survived Provodnikov and beat Devon Alexander in a snooze fest. That's it.

His credibility trumps yours. You said Gatti is better than Pacquaio and Judah is better than Marquez, Barrera and Morales. It's in this thread. Also Diego Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo, old Mosley and weight drained Canelo better than Morales, Barrera and Marquez. You actually said that and that proves your a fan of a boxer not of boxing. Try to be objective.

Bradley has beaten Alexander, yes in a snoozefest. It was as boring as a Mayweather fight. He also beat Lamont Peterson, Kendall Holt (in a unification), Junior Witter for a 140-lbs title. You can't talk up Mayweather beating Gatti who was gifted a belt for political reasons and bring down fighters who EARNED titles and were better fighters.

[Mzembe]

Cotto was a more game version at 145 than the version of him who fought Floyd after two consecutive beat downs.

What you are saying is that Barrera, Morales or JMM weren't considered elite at the time Pac fought them, regardless of weight class?

You discredit Bradley, but he also chalked up wins against a roided up Marquez, Alexander (the guy who beat Maidana who Floyd fought twice), Peterson, Holt, Witter, all solid fighters. He also went the distance with Pac three times.

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Time for hypotheticals - do you think Cotto would have beaten Floyd if they fought in 2008 when Cotto was undefeated?
Same question for Pacman (and without any weight advantage BS).

[Mzembe]

His credibility trumps yours. You said Gatti is better than Pacquaio and Judah is better than Marquez, Barrera and Morales. It's in this thread. Also Diego Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo, old Mosley and weight drained Canelo better than Morales, Barrera and Marquez. You actually said that and that proves your a fan of a boxer not of boxing. Try to be objective.

Bradley has beaten Alexander, yes in a snoozefest. It was as boring as a Mayweather fight. He also beat Lamont Peterson, Kendall Holt (in a unification), Junior Witter for a 140-lbs title. You can't talk up Mayweather beating Gatti who was gifted a belt for political reasons and bring down fighters who EARNED titles and were better fighters.

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I never said Gatti was better than Pac. Gatti was a money fight for Floyd and the belt was leverage, gifted or not. Oscar was gifted a belt against Felix Sturm to set up a unification against Hopkins. This happens in boxing. It's pure horse manure.

All the opponents I listed that fought Floyd were all credible. Zab had a better career than Barrera or Morales. Come on bro! Stop shytting on Zab. He was a game fighter more than a decade ago despite being blasted out by Tszyu.

How is it that you are belittling fighters that earned their belts and I can't? Guerrero, Maidana, Victor Ortiz, etc .... these guys earned their belts too.

[Mzembe]

Hatton lost to Collazo and was badly rocked by him (Collazo has no power) got a gift win and his other welterweight fight was a KO loss to a guy Malignaggi KO'd. Hatton was a cherry pick. He wasn't that good at 140 beat an old Tszyu with the assistance of a biased ref.

Try to see the sport objectively.

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I actually agree with you about Hatton. But you are ignoring that Floyd did call him out in 2005 at 140 and Hatton's team refused.
It was pure money fight for Floyd in 2007. I would have preferred a rematch with Oscar over Hatton but my point is Hatton was a big name.
And guess what, once again Pac fought Floyd's left over and no one says shyt.

[Mzembe]

Mosley was 38 hadn't fought in a year and a half and only good win in years was against Margrito who sucks without his wraps. I didn't give a **** when Pacquaio fought him. I hate Pacquaio.

Why did Mayweather fight Cotto AFTER Pacquaio and Margarito beat him up badly? I bet you celebrated that?

The weight for Canelo was garbage. Maybe they figured the only shot at getting Floyd in the ring was by catch-weight? Ever though of that? Why on earth would Canelo who was already struggling to get to 154 then come down in weight and his next fight could no longer make the weight. Try to view Boxing objectively for once. De La Hoya was the guy that said he wants Pacquaio at 147 and then he got bludgeoned and I bet you give no credit there? Again try to view the sport objectively.

I can't justify those ****ty Pac fights the way I can't justify Mayweather-Maidana II, Mayweather-Berto, Mayweather-Judah, Mayweather-Marquez and many other fights.

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We are splitting hairs here. Who should Floyd have fought other than Mosley? Mosley was coming off a spectacular win against "the most feared idiot" and guys on social media were busy ranting that Floyd ducks African American fighters. It was the only fight that made sense at the time.

I did not celebrate Floyd fighting Cotto. It was a great fight and I do like Cotto. I think he was short changed against Pac and Margo but he was not done in boxing. How many losses did Ali have and yet he kept coming back and winning? Or Surgar Ray? Or even Hopkins?

As for Canelo's weight, yes it was garbage and maybe that was the only way to get Floyd but why should Floyd move up to fight at 154 when Floyd walks at 150? Floyd did not call out Canelo it was the other way round. Why give concessions to someone else?

Oscar fighting Pac at 147 was a mistake but it was his mistake but it does not make Pacman great.

If your memory is good I hope you remember that even after that win, Freddie Roach kept saying Pacman wasn't ready for Floyd. It was only after Pacman had beated Cotto and Margarito I think that they started chasing after Floyd. How the hell is a "great" fighter like Pac NOT ready for Floyd after dismantling opponents after opponents?

Mayweather-Berto was garbage fight I agree. He should have gone after Danny Garcia or Thurman or rematch Pac and beat him up again.

[WesternChamp]

arum is protecting crawford! smh!!

[GhostofDempsey]

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Time for hypotheticals - do you think Cotto would have beaten Floyd if they fought in 2008 when Cotto was undefeated?
Same question for Pacman (and without any weight advantage BS).

I think he had a good chance at beating Floyd yes. He may have even done better once he signed on with Roach as well.

Pac would have beaten him just as easily. We are talking 2 pounds here. If you are going to discredit Pac's win over Cotto because of 2 pounds, then you need to discredit Floyd's win over Canelo too.

[Mzembe]

I think he had a good chance at beating Floyd yes. He may have even done better once he signed on with Roach as well.

Pac would have beaten him just as easily. We are talking 2 pounds here. If you are going to discredit Pac's win over Cotto because of 2 pounds, then you need to discredit Floyd's win over Canelo too.

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I do discredit Pac's win over Cotto because NOT only is there a pattern of weigh-clauses there is also a pattern of Pacman fighting bonafide BUMS right after he moved to 140.
Be real bro, look at Pac's resume (David Diaz, Algieri, Brandon Rios - who was coming off a loss, Horn, Clottey etc). For a guy who is considered elite but has NOT fought a single legit guy at 147 is absurd (for arguments sake I'll give you Bradley).

As for Canelo and Floyd, if they had fought at 154 Canelo would have still lost. Canelo wanted the fight so why not go to Floyd's weight and fight him at 147?

You sound like Canelo had a shot at 154. The reason Pac's team sets up catch weights is because they weren't sure and Roach has said that multiple times. He said so many times Pac wasn't ready for Floyd in 2008 and 2009 so that tells you all you need to know.

[WesternChamp]

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I do discredit Pac's win over Cotto because NOT only is there a pattern of weigh-clauses there is also a pattern of Pacman fighting bonafide BUMS right after he moved to 140.
Be real bro, look at Pac's resume (David Diaz, Algieri, Brandon Rios - who was coming off a loss, Horn, Clottey etc). For a guy who is considered elite but has NOT fought a single legit guy at 147 is absurd (for arguments sake I'll give you Bradley).

As for Canelo and Floyd, if they had fought at 154 Canelo would have still lost. Canelo wanted the fight so why not go to Floyd's weight and fight him at 147?

You sound like Canelo had a shot at 154. The reason Pac's team sets up catch weights is because they weren't sure and Roach has said that multiple times. He said so many times Pac wasn't ready for Floyd in 2008 and 2009 so that tells you all you need to know.

cotto also accept to fight pac at 145 so suk it eazy.