Comments Thread For: Jeff Horn Warns: Do Not Underestimate Me in Crawford Fight!

[WesternChamp]

I get that. It must be noted that Crawford took out the 1-2-3 best at 135 and then did the same at 140. He did it in totally dominant fashion in a way that he separated himself so far from the field that it showed elite talent.

His test for greatness will come in the 147 division as it is a more talent laden division but I don't think normal fighters would be able to dominate the way Bud has so far showing such consistency, skill and versatility.

I don't think just any fighter could come out of Burns-Gamboa-Beltran-Postol-Diaz-Indongo without so much as just a handful of rounds lost.

weak comp bruh. like i said im not knocking crawford but you cant call him elite yet, look at his resume.

dont ever mention gamboa. gamboa is nothing more but a stepping stone. postol is arguably the best guy on his resume and postol is far from being an elite fighter. like i said, only time will tell.

[chrisJS]

weak comp bruh. like i said im not knocking crawford but you cant call him elite yet, look at his resume.

dont ever mention gamboa. gamboa is nothing more but a stepping stone. postol is arguably the best guy on his resume and postol is far from being an elite fighter. like i said, only time will tell.

You also have to look around the circumstances of the bout. When he fought Gamboa he was a brand new titleholder and Gamboa was almost a 2-1 favorite (I won $$ on the fight). It's not helped that Bud put a whipping on him and bouts of inactivity took what was left of Gamboa but he was considered a top talent and was expected to take the belt home.

Not saying his resume is greatness but us fans tend to use hindsight a little too much. Crawford has always went for the best fights/fighters that have been available and when you do that the best you can do is whats in front of you but I do agree with the point that his greatness will be truly tested at 147.

[Mzembe]

Maidana, Guerrero, Gatti, Ortiz and Baldomir better fighters than Pacquaio? You probably didn't see any of his fights up until Marquez flattened him. He was very, very good.

That's insane even by the standards of come posters on this page.

Gatti wasn't a legit titleholder. WBC took Tszyu's belt for getting injured.

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I did NOT say that they were better fighters that Pacman. I've watched Manny fight. You just missed the key thing that I wrote:
Manny fought a dehydrated Oscar, Cotto and Margarito. That is a FACT.
He then proceeded to fight BUMS after BUMS (Diaz, Clottey, Algieri, Horn, Brandon Rios) while ducking every name at WW and JWW. Again, those are FACTS.

That resume compared to Floyd's is pure garbage and you know it.
As for Gatti not being a belt holder, that's just NOT true at all (http://www.espn.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2094801) - that link is from ESPN so try to dispute it.

Tszyu was the kingpin at 140Ibs and he lost his title to Ricky Hatton (http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....hester-9389327)

Unless you wanna say those sites are fake.

[Mzembe]

Cong****, you just proved my point. Casual.

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Your point was to discredit Floyd's win and I listed details about all those fighters that you mentioned so how do you call me a casual when I countered pretty much everything you wrote with FACTS?

If English is NOT a language you are comfortable with then that's not my problem. Have someone translate to you what I wrote please.

[GGG Gloveking]

I got Crawford beating the sh it out Horn

[GhostofDempsey]

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Your point was to discredit Floyd's win and I listed details about all those fighters that you mentioned so how do you call me a casual when I countered pretty much everything you wrote with FACTS?

If English is NOT a language you are comfortable with then that's not my problem. Have someone translate to you what I wrote please.

Not one of those opponents was an elite level fighter. Nice try though casual.

[chrisJS]

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I did NOT say that they were better fighters that Pacman. I've watched Manny fight. You just missed the key thing that I wrote:
Manny fought a dehydrated Oscar, Cotto and Margarito. That is a FACT.
He then proceeded to fight BUMS after BUMS (Diaz, Clottey, Algieri, Horn, Brandon Rios) while ducking every name at WW and JWW. Again, those are FACTS.

That resume compared to Floyd's is pure garbage and you know it.
As for Gatti not being a belt holder, that's just NOT true at all (http://www.espn.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2094801) - that link is from ESPN so try to dispute it.

Tszyu was the kingpin at 140Ibs and he lost his title to Ricky Hatton (http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....hester-9389327)

Unless you wanna say those sites are fake.

You implied he was a bum and they weren't so a good fighter is better than a bum.

Also Gatti was gifted the WBC belt BEFORE Tszyu-Hatton because of an injury to Tszyu. Tszyu was the one and only true 140 champion.

Weight drained Cotto or Canelo (for Floyd fight) is still better than Gatti. **** Margarito is.

Pacquaio fought Morales, Barrera, Marquez that's is better than ANYTHING Floyd fought and no Floyd-Marquez doesn't count since JMM just barely got to 135 after barely being at 130 and then went up two extra divisions.

[Mzembe]

You implied he was a bum and they weren't so a good fighter is better than a bum.

Also Gatti was gifted the WBC belt BEFORE Tszyu-Hatton because of an injury to Tszyu. Tszyu was the one and only true 140 champion.

Weight drained Cotto or Canelo (for Floyd fight) is still better than Gatti. **** Margarito is.

Pacquaio fought Morales, Barrera, Marquez that's is better than ANYTHING Floyd fought and no Floyd-Marquez doesn't count since JMM just barely got to 135 after barely being at 130 and then went up two extra divisions.

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Dude, you are devoid of logic. Floyd moved up to 140Ibs and both Hatton and Cotto refused to fight him. Cotto is on record and said he was not ready for a guy coming up in weight.

Gatti was the biggest name at 140Ibs and Floyd needed leverage due to his contractual fight with Arum. Tszyu and Hatton chose to fight and that left Floyd with no names so he moved up to 147.

As for Morales, Barrera and Marquez - Manny fought those three guys in 9 times!! Seriously! He lost to all of them hence the rematches. There is no doubt that those were great fights but none of those guys compare to Corrales or Castillo and yes I get that nonsense that Castillo won the first fight. Well, how come he couldn't beat Floyd the second time.

They don't even compare to Zab or Shane or Canelo (and the weight drain that you allude to was offered by Canelo's team since they were desperate to fight Floyd. It was not Floyd's idea and this is on record too).

As for Marquez, he is the one that called out Floyd and chose to go up in weight. Regardless though, explain this logic - Marquez can fight Pac at any weight and that's ok but it's a problem to fight Floyd? Shouldn't Pac be too small for Floyd too?

Margarito? Seriously? The guy is a zombie in the literal sense.

[Mzembe]

Not one of those opponents was an elite level fighter. Nice try though casual.

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Riiiight. But Algieri, Brandon Rios, Jeff Horn, Diaz, Clottey, Bradley, Margarito all were?
Can you name one elite fighter that Pac fought at 140 or 147?

[chrisJS]

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Dude, you are devoid of logic. Floyd moved up to 140Ibs and both Hatton and Cotto refused to fight him. Cotto is on record and said he was not ready for a guy coming up in weight.

Gatti was the biggest name at 140Ibs and Floyd needed leverage due to his contractual fight with Arum. Tszyu and Hatton chose to fight and that left Floyd with no names so he moved up to 147.

As for Morales, Barrera and Marquez - Manny fought those three guys in 9 times!! Seriously! He lost to all of them hence the rematches. There is no doubt that those were great fights but none of those guys compare to Corrales or Castillo and yes I get that nonsense that Castillo won the first fight. Well, how come he couldn't beat Floyd the second time.

They don't even compare to Zab or Shane or Canelo (and the weight drain that you allude to was offered by Canelo's team since they were desperate to fight Floyd. It was not Floyd's idea and this is on record too).

As for Marquez, he is the one that called out Floyd and chose to go up in weight. Regardless though, explain this logic - Marquez can fight Pac at any weight and that's ok but it's a problem to fight Floyd? Shouldn't Pac be too small for Floyd too?

Margarito? Seriously? The guy is a zombie in the literal sense.

Hard to talk "logic" when you think Corrales and Castillo and Judah and shot Mosley or weight drained Canelo are better fighters than Marquez, Barrera and Morales. That's just plain dumb.

Also the fact you said Barrera beat Pacquaio means you lose the privilege to debate anything Boxing related.

Also just to add "nonsense about Castillo beating Floyd how come he could win the 2nd time?" What a moronic statement but then again from a guy that says Barrera beat Pacquaio or that Judah is a better fighter than Marquez not a surprising one. So did Rahman not really beat Lewis? Did Frazier not really beat Ali? Did Duran never beat Leonard? There's probably more than 100,000 examples of a re-match being different than an original to suggest what happens in a re-match is also what happened the first time is so dumb.

Still getting a kick out of Barrera beating Pacquaio. I'd love to see that fight. Was it a good one?