Comments Thread For: Wilder: Joshua Starting to Make This a Bowe-Lewis Situation

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Bowe still cant shake off ducking accusations. A publicity stunt that backfired, what was he thinking?

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Bowe still cant shake off ducking accusations. A publicity stunt that backfired, what was he thinking?

does bowe realize that the wbc is the best belt!!!!

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It's very CLEAR, Joshua and Hearn are DUCKING Wilder.

Why is this fight not happening NEXT? Give me one good reason!

WILDER wants it and is prepared to come to England for it.

Both have just cleared their mandatories.

NO EXCUSES AJ/HEARN....STOP DUCKING!

This is TRULY an IDIOTIC comment! Who gives a flying **** what Wilder wants next? If you know ANYTHING, you would know that AJ has to clear his mandatory, NEXT fight, unless the WBA, in all its wisdom, gives him a pass (on account of the mandatory challenger, Luis Ortiz, nw serving a one-year suspension.) Wilder may have cleared his mandatory (and what kind of a sick joke was the WBC playing by making an inactive boxer its mandatory?) but AJ has only done HALF his job. I can't even get into it anymore - it's EXHAUSTING having to explain to people who simply can't be bothered to do any research...but, in summary, Anthony Joshua, the number one ranked heavyweight in World boxing, is the current holder of MULTIPLE belts. It should, therefore, be apparent to even the most fervent Deontay Wilder fan, that he has to fight more than one mandatory. Having taken care of his IBF business, he is obligated to do the same with the WBA. THIS IS PRECISELY WHY Eddie Hearn proposed that Wilder fights Dillian Whyte in the interim. In the end, whether he fights him or doesn't fight him, he CAN'T get to a fight with Joshua BEFORE AJ fights his mandatory. You can't be that thick that you don't understand this?

I think I am starting to understand, now, how Donald Trump was actually elected President...

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This is TRULY an IDIOTIC comment! Who gives a flying **** what Wilder wants next? If you know ANYTHING, you would know that AJ has to clear his mandatory, NEXT fight, unless the WBA, in all its wisdom, gives him a pass (on account of the mandatory challenger, Luis Ortiz, nw serving a one-year suspension.) Wilder may have cleared his mandatory (and what kind of a sick joke was the WBC playing by making an inactive boxer its mandatory?) but AJ has only done HALF his job. I can't even get into it anymore - it's EXHAUSTING having to explain to people who simply can't be bothered to do any research...but, in summary, Anthony Joshua, the number one ranked heavyweight in World boxing, is the current holder of MULTIPLE belts. It should, therefore, be apparent to even the most fervent Deontay Wilder fan, that he has to fight more than one mandatory. Having taken care of his IBF business, he is obligated to do the same with the WBA. THIS IS PRECISELY WHY Eddie Hearn proposed that Wilder fights Dillian Whyte in the interim. In the end, whether he fights him or doesn't fight him, he CAN'T get to a fight with Joshua BEFORE AJ fights his mandatory. You can't be that thick that you don't understand this?

I think I am starting to understand, now, how Donald Trump was actually elected President...

Be kind, that's Frank Warren youre talking to. Probably got his knickers in a twist because an Hungarian carpenter has asked him to add 20 euros to his purse.

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Wilder tried everything possible to unify with Parker. There were very serious negotiations earlier this year and Wilder was willing to take less than 50/50 to make the fight happen. He was desperate. Showtime was on board to televise in July 2017.

Bob Arum blocked the fight. He promised ESPN that he could deliver world heavyweight title fights and Parker is his only piece of the heavyweight crown. The ESPN deal hadn't been signed yet and Arum was in a panic to convince Parker's co-promoters to avoid Wilder at all costs.

Further, Haymon has ZERO stroke with the WBO and Arum has all the stroke in the world with the WBO. Even if Wilder won the title, he'd be stripped so fast it would make your head spin. Every mandatory would be enforced as quickly as possible with no wiggle room whatsoever until he was forced to vacate.

I agree with you, that Arum is a virus on the boxing scene. I just look at how he hamstrung Manny Pacquiao. Had he not been promoting Pacman, we could have well seen May-Pac when both fighters were still in their primes. Also, since Manny came back and took the WBO Welterweight crown, Arum did everything to stop his fighter from unifying against Thurman or Brook, choosing, instead, a series of easy defences, which backfired when Manny faced Horn, whom I believe, Arum may also control.

Still, the fact remains, the winner of Wilder and AJ can't call himself the "undisputed champ" without the WBO belt (and, indeed, without the Ring Magazine Lineal Championship, currently held by Tyson Fury.)

It ay be, then, that Parker takes on AJ, in order for the winner to bring three belts (plus the IBO) to the table. By the end of next year (or, the Summer of 2019, at the latest), I expect the winner of AJ vs Wilder vs Parker, to be matched with Tyson Fury. In AJ's case, a match with Fury is seen by fans of both, as the biggest fight possible, for either of them, especially given their truly contrasting styles. Fury, currently 350 lbs, had his first training session on Sunday - an hour in the gym, in the morning, followed by a 6 mile walk, in the afternoon. He anticipates having his name cleared, either in December, or January, paving the way for a comeback (Shannon Briggs mooted?) in March or April. Provided he regains his licence, he has every right to be included in all discussions about who is the true champion, given he has yet to be toppled in the ring.

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Be kind, that's Frank Warren youre talking to. Probably got his knickers in a twist because an Hungarian carpenter has asked him to add 20 euros to his purse.

Well, Frank, since you hold so much sway with the WBO, why don't you help the division out by persuading that body to sanction Parker v Wilder, while AJ meets his WBA mandatory? You could even feel good about putting one over Eddie Hearn, by taking away the prospect of Dillian Whyte getting the next shot at the WBC belt!

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I think the point is we want to see it. There's no reason to wait on this scrap. Its a total purse between $40 - $50 right now in the UK. Even if AJ loses, they'd have massive rematch on the US that would make even more money. Likeky between $50 - $75 for combined purses.

I agree, there's no need to mess about. Boxing has been going wrong with this constant putting off of fights, and since either could conceivably get derailed in the meantime it should definitely be next.

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the fact remains, the winner of Wilder and AJ can't call himself the "undisputed champ" without the WBO belt (and, indeed, without the Ring Magazine Lineal Championship, currently held by Tyson Fury.)

You lose all credibility when you mention the magazine belt. The magazine was purchased by HBO's lead promoter. It has NOTHING to do with the lineal championship as HBO's promoter, which owns the magazine, makes up the rules as he goes along to benefit HBO whenever possible and damage Showtime whenever possible. Tyson Fury publicly announced his retirement. The lineal title then became vacant. That is how it has always worked since the beginning of time. The magazine chose to ignore the rules of the lineal title to prevent a Showtime fighter from becoming lineal champion.

The sooner fans realize the magazine is a corrupt joke that had every respected journalist quit in disgust, the better.

As for undisputed, that's a matter of opinion. When the fourth title became recognized, WBA rules made it clear that to become undisputed champion, you had to hold three of the four titles, not all four. Same feel you should have to hold all four. The only problem is that holding all four is nearly impossible.

Further, every recent undisputed heavyweight champion held the WBC/WBA/IBF and completely ignored the WBO. Tyson, Douglas, Holyfield, Bowe, Lewis, etc.

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You lose all credibility when you mention the magazine belt. The magazine was purchased by HBO's lead promoter. It has NOTHING to do with the lineal championship as HBO's promoter, which owns the magazine, makes up the rules as he goes along to benefit HBO whenever possible and damage Showtime whenever possible. Tyson Fury publicly announced his retirement. The lineal title then became vacant. That is how it has always worked since the beginning of time. The magazine chose to ignore the rules of the lineal title to prevent a Showtime fighter from becoming lineal champion.

The sooner fans realize the magazine is a corrupt joke that had every respected journalist quit in disgust, the better.

As for undisputed, that's a matter of opinion. When the fourth title became recognized, WBA rules made it clear that to become undisputed champion, you had to hold three of the four titles, not all four. Same feel you should have to hold all four. The only problem is that holding all four is nearly impossible.

Further, every recent undisputed heavyweight champion held the WBC/WBA/IBF and completely ignored the WBO. Tyson, Douglas, Holyfield, Bowe, Lewis, etc.

If that's the case, your boy, Billy Joe Saunders is pissing in the wind by calling himself "world champion." You have just declared GGG to be the Undisputed Middleweight Champion of the World. Since you, so heavily, promote WBO contests, Mr Warren, I'd say the person with the credibility gap is staring you in the mirror!

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If that's the case, your boy, Billy Joe Saunders is pissing in the wind by calling himself "world champion." You have just declared GGG to be the Undisputed Middleweight Champion of the World. Since you, so heavily, promote WBO contests, Mr Warren, I'd say the person with the credibility gap is staring you in the mirror!

We don't recognize the WBO and we don't consider Billy Joe Saunders a world champion. We already consider GGG to be an undisputed champion.