After watching Lipinets I ask myself a question....

[Motorcity Cobra]

Why Al Haymon couldn't sign better prospects from ex-Soviet bloc? Why amazing talents like Yeleussinov stays in amateurs because they can't get good offers from promoters and instead of seeing them in pros, we're forced to watch guys who's supposed to be "the real deal" like Lipinets but struggling with B class fighters?

What do you consider a good offer? Boxing isn't like other sports where you amateur accomplishments account for something. In boxing your ticket gate & tv ratings mean more than your amateur accomplishments. I'm pretty sure Kovalev & GGG didn't get good offers. They had to take what they can get and prove themselves. It's hard to market guys who don't speak English & whose names only have one vowel. Because there is no league and licensing fees are on a per fight basis, selling tickets and getting ratings is more valued than skill. That's why Broner is always able to get fights.

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Who's to say they didn't try?

And nobody is hyping up Lipinits, he's only know to the hardcores in US right now and maybe his country. Maybe they thought he'd be looking better as well, but of course let's just bash Haymon and not think critically instead.

[g27region]

I've seen-0 chants on Lipinets being the future.

Haven't you seen all these messages about Crawford moving up because of Lipinets? Let's get this clear, Bud would murder him. And it's not about the chants, it's about the fact that fighters like Lipinets get the contract in the first place and being favored over more deserving guys.

I don't even care if the talent is from US, Cuba, Ukraine or Russia, just send him that damn contract

Who's to say they didn't try?

And nobody is hyping up Lipinits, he's only know to the hardcores in US right now and maybe his country. Maybe they thought he'd be looking better as well, but of course let's just bash Haymon and not think critically instead.

Nobody is hyping up Lipinets? Oh really? Then I don't wanna see all these complaints about "some people said this is the guy who made Crawford ducking". Do I have to show you these NSB messages praising Lipinets? Even the thought that this guy can be compared to Crawford in any aspect is a blasphemy

They thought he'd be looking better as well? Why the fuck these guys get their salaries in the first place? If they can't sign the best talents to their stable and prefer to deal with former kickboxers, I'd say Al Haymon (or whoever's in charge) needs to fire their asses. This is the job for them. If I had to choose between a gold medalist or the guy from kickboxing with no amateur experience at all, I wouldn't think twice

What do you consider a good offer? Boxing isn't like other sports where you amateur accomplishments account for something.

Rigo and Lomachenko are the proof that amateur experience matters. Some former kickboxer will never beat someone who's been in boxing gym since childhood like these fighters if it's not a lucky punch. They was saying that Donaire got more pro experience than Rigo too. How it turned out? I don't have to tell you

For boxers like Yeleussinov (and there was some Cuban guy people were talking about here) any kind of offer would be good. But they want us to watch that thrash Lipinets with his face and trunks covered in blood in every damn fight like they took him straight out of murder scene or something

In boxing your ticket gate & tv ratings mean more than your amateur accomplishments. I'm pretty sure Kovalev & GGG didn't get good offers. They had to take what they can get and prove themselves. It's hard to market guys who don't speak English & whose names only have one vowel.

That's what I'm saying, I know the life isn't supposed to be fair for everybody and I'm not asking for equality or some shit like that. I know you can't sell them to US audience, but if you want to sign some of them to diverse your stable, maybe it's better to sign the best of them, not former kickboxers (Lipinets) or security guards from food stores (Postol), or don't sign them at all

Because it gets back to the other point, yea they could bring in the good guys but why would they bring in guys that could cause problems for guys they can actually make money with.

Real talent should always get signed because talent is a commodity, but to me is should be groups that need more talent rather than Haymon who has a good amount of talent already. Can always use more talent but Haymon needs to get his end sorted out a bit so his real talent is not sitting on the sidelines too much as it is now.

As a Russian who's living in Asia next to border with China I can't use the term "Eastern Europeans" since I don't consider myself European by any definition. Back to the message

They can't sell fighters from ex-Soviet bloc to Russian/Ukranian/Kazakh audience in US, that's the problem. They have to come up with some way to sell them. I think you can sell Russian fighter to them only if he's acting according to Cold War stereotypes, drinking vodka, "if he dies, he dies" all that Drago shit or what was the name of that Scandinavian guy, I don't remember

It's not about Al Haymon or Eastern fighters though. Sometimes great talents being ignored and mediocre fighters with no amateur background gets contracts and it happens in every part of the world. For me, it's devastating to see that Cuban fighters like Rigo or Gamboa wasted their talents like that because I love Cuban boxing

[Thraxox]

Haven't you seen all these messages about Crawford moving up because of Lipinets? Let's get this clear, Bud would murder him. And it's not about the chants, it's about the fact that fighters like Lipinets get the contract in the first place and being favored over more deserving guys.

I stand corrected. Usually I ignore nonsense like those, so I must have missed it.

[g27region]

I stand corrected. Usually I ignore nonsense like those, so I must have missed it.

I feel some people try to hype him up now just to sell him as a legit threat to their favorite fighters later when they know he isn't. Sounds complicated but you never know nowadays