After watching Lipinets I ask myself a question....

[HanzGruber]

Because he was brought in to enhance his other talents rather than really be a product on his own.

In essence he was the guy brought into be the Brooklyn Brawler, although that is a harsh wrestling example because I think they would want Lipinets to have some success before they feed them to guys that actually matter for them.

Not like most Americans could pick Eastern European fighters out of a line-up so one with a relatively flashy record will serve just as well as a better one since he was never meant to be focused on anyway.

What? That's ******ed the guy gets a title fight at what 15 fights and you say he only has him to make his real fighters look good?

[g27region]

why hasn't anyone major signed Egidijus Kavaliauskas?

He's a freakin beast

At least this guy has Egis behind his back

Yeleussinov has almost Lomachenko-esque talent and nobody wants to sign him. Nobody. Instead of that, they're trying to sell Lipinets to us, the guy who's getting his face bruised up in every fight and who barely beats mediocre opposition

[The Gambler1981]

What? That's ******ed the guy gets a title fight at what 15 fights and you say he only has him to make his real fighters look good?

Well if Lipinets turned out to be the goods and succeeded it is not like Haymon would be upset. However, if he is not all that they can play it the other way also.

I am sure Lipinets is not on some huge money deal, it is pretty low risk and Haymon can't really lose because as you said Lipinets has already kind of reached a certain level by getting that strap.

The question the TS asked though, why would Haymon sign a moderate prospect when there were blue chippers around, I answered that question fairly clearly.

[g27region]

The funny thing is, when they're going to feed Lipinets to some of their stars, you won't hear no end of these "I told yall", "another euro bites the dust", "another hypejob got exposed". And when he will get his ass handed to him...and I'm 100% sure he will..some ******ed NSB posters will say something like "you were hyping him up now hes a thrash lol hypocrite" Fuck no, I'm saying it right now before his first loss, the mother****er is not special and I've been saying the same thing even before this fight.

Lipinets is terrible, I don't like his chances against Indongo

At the same time gold medalists and a lot of amazing talents staying in amateurs and they can't get good contracts because you can't feed them to your guys so easily so it's better to sign some former kickboxer and hype him up as a legit threat to guys you promote when he wasn't even good from the start.

[Mammoth]

People thought Crawford ducked this guy

[jmrf4435]

They have? he just fought on the Top Rank card?

that;s right. They do nothing with him as he's always at the very bottom of every card.

I want to see him in with someoen

[The Gambler1981]

The funny thing is, when they're going to feed Lipinets to some of their stars, you won't hear no end of these "I told yall", "another euro bites the dust", "another hypejob got exposed". And when he will get his ass handed to him...and I'm 100% sure he will..some ******ed NSB posters will say something like "you were hyping him up now hes a thrash lol hypocrite" Fuck no, I'm saying it right now before his first loss, the mother****er is not special and I've been saying the same thing even before this fight.




At the same time gold medalists and a lot of amazing talents staying in amateurs and they can't get good contracts because you can't feed them to your guys so easily so it's better to sign some former kickboxer and hype him up as a legit threat to guys you promote when he wasn't even good from the start.

The first part yea, because people are lazy and paint with a broad brush rather than deal with individuals. kind of easier to attack a faceless group than really go at an individual about their opinions on fighters, because how many can really talk talents and skills at a high enough level to have a good conversation on those topics.

The second part is real talent costs money and outside of Polish fighters Eastern Europeans don't have the easiest time building a large enough fan base to really justify the expense of bringing in high end talent. Heck if Arum is finding it tough with Lomachenko to really make him a star (and for what he is paid he needs to be a star), and if arguably the most talented boxers has a hard time becoming a star is it really worth the price to bring in that talent no matter how good they may be?

Bringing in some guys on the cheap makes sense because boxing people know Eastern Europeans can fight and it diversifies the roster, and who knows maybe he finds a diamond in the rough.

[g27region]

The second part is real talent costs money and outside of Polish fighters Eastern Europeans don't have the easiest time building a large enough fan base to really justify the expense of bringing in high end talent. Heck if Arum is finding it tough with Lomachenko to really make him a star (and for what he is paid he needs to be a star), and if arguably the most talented boxers has a hard time becoming a star is it really worth the price to bring in that talent no matter how good they may be?

Bringing in some guys on the cheap makes sense because boxing people know Eastern Europeans can fight and it diversifies the roster, and who knows maybe he finds a diamond in the rough.

I understand that life isn't supposed to be fair for everybody out here and they don't have the same opportunities as Americans, but I doubt they'd ask for much bigger purse than guys like Lipinets. Rigondeaux is a boxing genius and he's making peanuts despite all of that amateur background and accomplishments. Fuck this system. Now fighters like Yeleussinov has to compete in amateurs again to prove he's worthy of signing, maybe get another gold medal and then they'd ask why these Eastern fighters are in their 30's and past their prime when they turn pro? Because it's not like you see a long line of promoters wanting to sign them in the first place

[The Gambler1981]

I understand that life isn't supposed to be fair for everybody out here and they don't have the same opportunities as Americans, but I doubt they'd ask for much bigger purse than guys like Lipinets. Rigondeaux is a boxing genius and he's making peanuts despite all of that amateur background and accomplishments. Fuck this system. Now fighters like Yeleussinov has to compete in amateurs again to prove he's worthy of signing, maybe get another gold medal and then they'd ask why these Eastern fighters are in their 30's and past their prime when they turn pro? Because it's not like you see a long line of promoters wanting to sign them in the first place

Because it gets back to the other point, yea they could bring in the good guys but why would they bring in guys that could cause problems for guys they can actually make money with.

Real talent should always get signed because talent is a commodity, but to me is should be groups that need more talent rather than Haymon who has a good amount of talent already. Can always use more talent but Haymon needs to get his end sorted out a bit so his real talent is not sitting on the sidelines too much as it is now.

A more upstart group like Main Event (I threw up in my mouth typing because Duva is awful and no one should sign with Main Event but that sort of company should be looking that route) would be better because those groups need more talent. They could really make that their thing and focus on areas with heavy Eastern European populations and attracting Eastern Eurpoeans to see the fights. It can be done because I know the Polish are not the only Eastern European group in the US that would come out to see fights.

[Thraxox]

The funny thing is, when they're going to feed Lipinets to some of their stars, you won't hear no end of these "I told yall", "another euro bites the dust", "another hypejob got exposed". And when he will get his ass handed to him...and I'm 100% sure he will..some ******ed NSB posters will say something like "you were hyping him up now hes a thrash lol hypocrite" Fuck no, I'm saying it right now before his first loss, the mother****er is not special and I've been saying the same thing even before this fight.




At the same time gold medalists and a lot of amazing talents staying in amateurs and they can't get good contracts because you can't feed them to your guys so easily so it's better to sign some former kickboxer and hype him up as a legit threat to guys you promote when he wasn't even good from the start.

I've seen-0 chants on Lipinets being the future.