Originally posted by jack_the_rippuh
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Wladimir Klitschko is DUCKING James Toney!
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I am a big Toney fan but believe that Vlad will stop him in a one sided fight, though with Vlad there is always the chance he can get caught. He was hurt by jabs against Peter and cannot afford to shake off flush shots like Rahman did. The man gets bug eyes and panics when he is hit. He always will.
That said, this is professional boxing, and Goosen would be an idiot to accept 1.5 mil to fight Vlad. Toney can make that in the WBC fight, then fight Vlad for $5mil or almost parity in a unification fight if he were to win the wbc title.
If he lost the wbc fight but was competitive, he could make $1 mil or so against the WBo champ or even brewster.
If Toney were 33 taking short money to get an ABC date might be worth it. At this point he needs to maximize his value. I expect that they will settle on soemthing north of $2 mil.
I sympathize with those who say Toney does no derseve the shot. His conditioning was a disgrace against Rahman, though his performance was not.
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Toney in the worst condition of his career managed a well deserved draw against Rahman, so if he'd come in a 215 he'd have had more speed and better balance and would have beat Rahman. Can you honestly tell me that he need steroids against Ruiz? BS. If Toney beats Wlad it proves that he can take on the best HW, and if Wlad get dropped it proves that he doesn't have a HW chin(cause supposedly Toney doesn't have a HW punch). IMHO the man Wlad is ducking is Brewster, cause he thinks that Toney is the smaller man and the easier fight, but in my opinion is a clash of styles Wlad would own Toney from the outside, if Toney get on the inside then it Light Out.
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Just to be clear WestChester, don't take my words to read as "Toney doesn't deserve anything he's a fat disgrace etc". What I mean is that Toney isn't in a position to be naming prices for shots at all, because he's not a mandatory for Wlad. Wlad is giving him an option, simple as (if it's even true).
As a separate issue I do think its a disgrace the relaxed attitude there is in boxing towards failed drug tests, and for Toney to magically leapfrog to be mandatory for Rahman then mandatory again in 6 months is also ****ed up.
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good point Wolf, but the state that the HW devision is in i can understand how they can pull some sh$t like that, they gotta put up the fighters that people want to see to bring attention back to the HW, Toney is a charesmatic guy, he talks sh#% but he can back it up.
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Originally posted by Lights0utI'm sure you all read by now that Toney rejected Wlad's ridiculous offer of 1.5 million to fight him after he made 2 million versus Rahman, and 3 million versus Holyfield. Well, team Klitschko just admitted what Toney's counter offer was....
2.5 million!!
Wlad Klit is so scared that a reasonable counter offer like that is non-negotiable and they're walking. It's a shame that Wladimir is that scared of a man half his size. I was looking forward to James putting the LIGHTS OUT on Wlad.
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Wlad ducking Toney, yeah ****ing right.
Why in the hell would he fight Peter and duck Toney?
hahahahahahaahhaahahah.
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Originally posted by $Manny_P$LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wlad got Pwned!!!!!!!!!!
If he doesn't accpet he's nothing, but a coward!
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Originally posted by Gunstar1You gotta be kidding. The fight should be 60/40. Not 80/20 Wlad. For Toney accepting 2.5 is un real, he can make 2.5 or more against Rahman.
Wlad is ducking Toney, no ifs and buts about it, it's has been proven now.
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