Comments Thread For: Mikey Garcia: I Wouldn't Sign With Golden Boy to Get Cotto Fight

[Scipio2009]

There goes that myth again that arum was screwing over Pacquiao. Can you explain and provide a link to back that up? Because last time I checked pacquiao was making 20-30 million a fight since 2009 after he beat de la hoya and he even made 20 million plus to fight Algieri, Brandon Rios and everyone else up until his last 2 fights. Hes one of the highest paid athletes in history of any sport and is second only to mayweather in boxing earnings so please explain how arum screwed him over?

You do know that the rumor was that Macau paid Arum something like $25m to stage Pacquiao's fights on their property, right? Or the fact that Pacquiao has been notorious for his own profligate spending habits right?

How much money was cleared on the event, versus how much went into Arum's pocket compared to how much went into Pacquiao's pocket is where the truth will be found.

If Pacquiao's the one taking the punishment, yet is walking away with maybe 40%-50% of the actual haul, if he's lucky, he's getting ****ed royally.

Floyd keeps his whole pie, Canelo keeps something like 90% of his pie (Mexico TV plus 80% of the proceeds were the terms under the deal with Schaefer, and I doubt that Chepo/Eddie will talk Alvarez into taking a worse deal), Klitschko kept his own pie, Anthony Joshua is on something like an 80/20 split on his fights, and even Andre Ward had a formal seat at the table (the actual split is unclear, but the point is still the same).

For as much business as was generated with Pacquiao's name on the marquee, the fact that Pacquiao's take is maybe half of what Floyd got (16 Floyd PPVs against 23 Pacquiao PPVs) speaks louder than anything.

[Scipio2009]

Mikey really has some of you guys fooled. He had no intention of going all the way up to 154 to fight Cotto, hes just doing what he always does which is call out a big name for publicity knowing full well the fight wasnt going to get made. For starters garcia is on pbc/ Showtime side who are the enemies of golden boy/ hbo

Cotto doesn't give a **** about any of that, as long as he feels like he's gotten a good deal for himself; and, case you forgot, Cotto is the one who calls his shot.

To now try and act as if Cotto was somehow Team HBO/Golden Boy makes you look ******. Cotto made out like a bandit on the Alvarez fight, amicably walked on the end of his RocNation deal and got Golden Boy to pay him well on a bull**** fight, and is now getting Golden Boy to again pay him handsomely for a fight against a light punching welterweight (25 wins, only 14 by KO) who was just starched by a welterweight who was not known as much of a puncher himself (Jesse Vargas had 26 wins with only 9 KOs), at his home venue.

[Scipio2009]

Not really, tbh

I'm a big fan of Mikey but he has to make a decision soon on his promotional situation. Everyone assumed he was getting out the top rank deal to sign with haymon. But so far according to him he's not really a haymon guy just working on a fight by fight basis no contract. He and his brother complained about Broner treated like the A side and not liking how the fight was promoted. Well of course Broner was he is actually signed with Haymon so he is going to get better treatment. And he doesn't want to sign with any promoters and hasn't signed with Haymon. Something has to give.

Eventually, I see Mikey (and RGBA) coming to an agreement with Richard Schaefer's Ringstar Sports to be his key point person, but Mikey is sitting on gold with his seemingly direct partnership with Showtime.

As long as he keeps winning and/or performing well, he's going to ride this hot hand out.

The Linares fight is next (if Golden Boy gets Linares to back out, you likely still get Mikey-Easter from Las Vegas or SoCal), with the Flanagan fight likely after that (with Showtime and BoxNation broadcasting, the location likely comes down to how much money is put up). With the 135lb belts in hand, Mikey's move to 140lbs likely happens soon after that (with both the WBO and WBA in position to give him quick opportunities, and the other challengers already in the fold).

It's seemingly on a handshake, but Mikey Garcia is basically signed to Showtime/CBS at this point, so he doesn't really need the rest of the things signed, imo. Showtime keeps investing the time and money and they could end up with a Mexican American p4p rated fighter at 140/147lbs with a humble demeanor, exciting style, and ability to market his fights in English and Spanish.

[turnedup]

Broner only did 6k in his hometown the previous fight. He goes to NY & sells more than double that & Mikey gets no credit? If Broner could consistently do those numbers on his own he'd be fighting in NY regardless of who the opponent is, right?

Puerto Ricans are loyal but they aint ******. Tired of fans acting and media like certain fanbases are ****** and don't know what a good fight is and what isn't and they'll support any garbage just because the fighter is the same race/ethnicity as they are.

The ticket prices and the license fee for Cotto-Ali and Cotto-Garcia will be a mile apart. Can't believe you're even arguing this. There is no comparison in popularity between Garcia and Ali. Just stop

My man are you seriously comparing Ohio to New York in terms of what volume of people come out for entertainment? Ohio cuz..O..H...I...O. Seriously man your argument for Garcia is blinding the shh out of you..it's Cotto's last fight in a region with millions of Puerto Ricans and an additional few million hispanic fight fans with an event at MSG...Hit me up when this fight won't sell-out. Since you think this won't be a sell-out I look forward to you coming back and saying "I was wrong". I'm not comparing Ali to Garcia..I'm stating that neither one is the draw in this equation. COTTO...how many times do I need to say COTTO could fight a broom and it will still sell as his last fight. COOOOOOTTTTTOOOO. Got it yet? Let's also cut the fckery like Mikey Garcia is a big f'ing draw..

[Scipio2009]

How much longer can Mikey be a one and done doe? he needs to sign with someone...he is doing better on his own now because he hasn't looked bad in his fights but for his own protection (his future) he needs to pick someone and go with that.......GBP seems like the perfect fit....I don't get it.....

The simple answer is that he is betting on himself, in a major way.

If he's as good as folks in his circle believe he is, he beats Linares, beats Flanagan, and rules at 140lbs for however long he wants (Crawford making the decision to move to 147lbs eliminates the one guy that I see giving him hell in a fight at the weight).

People will clamor for him to go up to 147 at some point, but he can pretty easily settle into taking on solid fighters at Staples Center and StubHub Center in his home market until the well runs dry (travels to NYC to take on the UK 140lb fighters who'd come over makes sense; not sure if there's big enough of a fight possible to entice MGM Resorts to shell out to host).

He performs with no safety net, and he has the chance to become a $10m fighter (between the Showtime money, the live gate, sponsors that'll come his way, and Mexico TV likely becoming interested in a Spanish-speaking fighter who's among the world's best, there's a good pie to work with).

He loses and performs poorly in a fight, and the whole thing could come down; risks of controlling your own destiny.

[ShoulderRoll]

what's wrong with this?? if you aint fighting for me, why am i gonna give you the benefit of doubt and work with you and most likely get to do almost everything (promotions, etc.)? and mikey will most likely demand a big piece of the split too. this should let fighters who are thinking about becoming a free agent that it aint an easy road.

What do you mean "do almost everything?"

The one bleeding and putting his health on the line is the boxer. He's the one doing everything and he's the one that people are paying money to see.

Unless you think people are buying tickets to see Arum's old ass. Or to catch a glimpse of Oscar in fishnets or something.

[ShoulderRoll]

Looking at with my business hat on - their business is Cotto. If Cotto were to lose, their future profits take a loss meanwhile Garcia is on the upswing off the back of GBP.

If they have options, they can recoup/hedge their bets with the loss of income if Cotto were to lose and get some back with Mikey

How are they to stay in business if there is no future revenue stream?

So in your opinion boxing cannot exist with boxers being free agents?They must tie themselves down to one promoter or another in order for the sport to flourish?

[extracurRICular]

The simple answer is that he is betting on himself, in a major way.

If he's as good as folks in his circle believe he is, he beats Linares, beats Flanagan, and rules at 140lbs for however long he wants (Crawford making the decision to move to 147lbs eliminates the one guy that I see giving him hell in a fight at the weight).

People will clamor for him to go up to 147 at some point, but he can pretty easily settle into taking on solid fighters at Staples Center and StubHub Center in his home market until the well runs dry (travels to NYC to take on the UK 140lb fighters who'd come over makes sense; not sure if there's big enough of a fight possible to entice MGM Resorts to shell out to host).

He performs with no safety net, and he has the chance to become a $10m fighter (between the Showtime money, the live gate, sponsors that'll come his way, and Mexico TV likely becoming interested in a Spanish-speaking fighter who's among the world's best, there's a good pie to work with).

He loses and performs poorly in a fight, and the whole thing could come down; risks of controlling your own destiny.

Couldn't have said it better myself...great post....green kay...


edit: Had to spread before I could give you again...but still great post

[glenn mcrory]

I said he calls out fighters with names that he has no intention of fighting i.e. cotto and then ends up cherrypicking someone he knows he can beat which is exactly what he's doing

You said Garcia was trying to use them as a stepping stone, implying a cherrypick. Then you say he was bluffing as he had no intention of going up and fighting him and was scared. You cant pick both arguments. You are trying to say hes a cherrypicker and a coward of the same guy in the same sentence, how does that make any ****ing sense?

Im not fan of cotto garcia or ali at all, my point is garcia had no intention of fighting cotto in the first place, he just calls out the big names for publicity and also it doesnt make any business sense for gb to give garcia the fight instead of ali. As a boxing fan i personally would like to see cotto spark garcia out. I used to be a fan of garcias till he ducked gamboa and ran to protective custody with haymon

lol
"Look at me, this gives my terrible argument vaidity since I have none and no one pays attention or cares what I say."
Stop with the Gamboa ducking. No need to kill your "argument" right away.
If you would like to see Cotto spark Garcia out "as a boxing fan", then why are you against the fight being made, surely the big bad Cotto would demolish the littl...
Oh wait, you dont actually believe that. Which is why you were sweating bullets when Garcia announced his intentions and are now jumping for joy for the first time in your miserable life that Cotto doesnt head to the hospital instead of his retirement party. The truth is, you dont want Garcia to get the big fights he wants so he doesnt beat up fighters you actually like, and so he doesnt embarrass your pathetic cherrypicker argument and your haterade-fueled emotionally-ridden ass.

[BigStomps]

Do you honestly believe that HBO will give Oscar the date? Because if they do, it comes down to a battle of wallets (and it looks like Showtime has far more interest in Mikey Garcia than HBO has in Linares).

Mikey-Easter and Mikey-Figueroa, are both fights that should have the fighters splitting $2m+.

Just because Mikey doesn't fight under HBO doesn't mean HBO isn't interested in Mikey. Let's not forget this is a business and if it makes dollars it makes sense.
So I do believe it will come down to money.
And I'm not too crazy about those two other fights. I think Mikey beats them both easy. I don't think Easter is that anxious to lose his title just yet and Figueroa looked good in his last fight but it was against Robert.
I don't think he's ready for Mikey just yet..
I think the best fight for Mikey right now is Linares. So I do hope their able to work out a deal. I do favor Mikey but damn that's a great fight!