Comments Thread For: A New Number One: BoxingScene Pound-for-Pound Update

[Boxing Goat]

Glad to see the American on top ( as it should be ) but Canelo beat Triple-Duck and really is #1.

And the bolded portion shows why your opinion should be ignored and obviously it's wrong anyways, even without bias. Just go look at most of the respectable fighters and experts opinions. Almost everyone who knows anything about boxing knows GGG won.

[Boxing Goat]

If they correctly scored the Canelo fight then Golovkin would be P4P number one

Exactly. And Ring and ESPN are the only publications that really count anyways and GG is no.1 on those anyways so this doesn't make a difference to me. Haters gonna hate.

[Combat Talk Radio]

When Buster Douglas upset Tyson, I don't think he wound up on the next P4P list.

I thought hard about Rungvisai (as well as Estrada) and decided I needed to see more before they make this list.

But yeah, point taken.

I simply don't see - and this isn't towards you specifically - why people are listing Rigondeaux when he's fought NOBODY. Even setting aside resume:

- the guy was getting dropped left and right by the Asian dude - Amagasa?

- He's OLD by boxing standards

- Dirty shots on Flores (who DID milk it)


Compared to Errol Spence who has knocked out his last 9 opponents, eight of which (I believe) had never been knocked out before or since meeting him, one of which took Manny Pacquiao the distance; one of which had been IBF champion for nearly 3 years before meeting him.

At some point we need to start crediting fighters who bust their ass to leave no doubt.

[Chuckguy]

to answer ALL of those questions.....

P4P has nothing to do with resume'

this happens every single month, without fail

Then what good is it Time?
Just another bs ranking sysytem?

[aboutfkntime]

I definitely feel good enough.

I had Mikey Garcia on my P4P top ten list quite a bit before he started appearing on official lists.

I felt that strongly about it then.

I feel that way about Spence now.

Besides, along with Brook, you cannot ignore what Errol has done to common opponents of other top guys.

ex. Lo Greco went 10 with Porter while Errol stopped him in 3; Bundu went the distance with Thurman but couldn't finish 6 against Spence; Algieri tumbled thru 12 with Pac but was stopped in less than 5 against Strap Season.

Errol is for real, the heir to Floyd and Pac.

good call on Mikey..... I agree, and I did the same with Loma well over a year ago

and yep, Spence is baaaad boy

him and Crawford is the next dream fight at welter

well not next, I think we will have to wait for that one

[aboutfkntime]

Then what good is it Time?
Just another bs ranking sysytem?

nothing at all that I can see

it is just a list that fans seem to enjoy

a lot of P4P fighters have lost to guys who were not ranked

that's why I don't really argue about P4P too much

it is just an opinion, that even if correct, may not even be relevant

accurate divisional rankings are far more important

[koolkc107]

I simply don't see - and this isn't towards you specifically - why people are listing Rigondeaux when he's fought NOBODY. Even setting aside resume:

- the guy was getting dropped left and right by the Asian dude - Amagasa?

- He's OLD by boxing standards

- Dirty shots on Flores (who DID milk it)


Compared to Errol Spence who has knocked out his last 9 opponents, eight of which (I believe) had never been knocked out before or since meeting him, one of which took Manny Pacquiao the distance; one of which had been IBF champion for nearly 3 years before meeting him.

At some point we need to start crediting fighters who bust their ass to leave no doubt.

Rigo was out of my top 10 P4P til Ward retired.

Inactivity is why, but a good showing Dec (win or lose) would probably have put him back any way.

Ward just sped that up.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Rigo was out of my top 10 P4P til Ward retired.

Inactivity is why, but a good showing Dec (win or lose) would probably have put him back any way.

Ward just sped that up.

Think about this.

What you're saying is, despite piss poor showings, you haven't moved Rigo down AT ALL, since you haven't moved Minny Pacquiao or Estrada up after decisive victories.

You're ranking based on whether a fighter looks "stylistically" good, not whether they actually get the job done and HOW they do it.

Rigo looks "stylistically" good in the ring, but getting dropped repeatedly by a nobody in Amagasa and going NC against Flores puts him in the "all sizzle, no steak" category at this point in his career. He WAS good, he hasn't been in years.

Because I'm sorry, there's simply no other way to justify leaving Rungvisai off the list IF you're someone who felt Choco was #1 P4P. It just doesn't add up.

Now, if you never saw Choco as P4P, then it makes sense. I never saw him as P4P, but I recognize most everyone did including BoxRec; they have Minny Pacquiao at #5 I believe, and I'm well supportive of that ranking.

[koolkc107]

Think about this.

What you're saying is, despite piss poor showings, you haven't moved Rigo down AT ALL, since you haven't moved Minny Pacquiao or Estrada up after decisive victories.

You're ranking based on whether a fighter looks "stylistically" good, not whether they actually get the job done and HOW they do it.

Rigo looks "stylistically" good in the ring, but getting dropped repeatedly by a nobody in Amagasa and going NC against Flores puts him in the "all sizzle, no steak" category at this point in his career. He WAS good, he hasn't been in years.

Because I'm sorry, there's simply no other way to justify leaving Rungvisai off the list IF you're someone who felt Choco was #1 P4P. It just doesn't add up.

Now, if you never saw Choco as P4P, then it makes sense. I never saw him as P4P, but I recognize most everyone did including BoxRec; they have Minny Pacquiao at #5 I believe, and I'm well supportive of that ranking.

No, Rigo was higher on my lists, moved down my list, and eventually went off the list.

He is only back on this month (at #10) because of Ward's retirement.

Should Rigo look like crap in December, you will see him drop again.

As for Wangek, we will see if he is really P4P or if he is Buster Douglas.

[Combat Talk Radio]

No, Rigo was higher on my lists, moved down my list, and eventually went off the list.

He is only back on this month (at #10) because of Ward's retirement.

Should Rigo look like crap in December, you will see him drop again.

As for Wangek, we will see if he is really P4P or if he is Buster Douglas.

Let's try it this way. Because clearly you're diminishing Minny Pacquiao's victories over people's P4P.

Name three things Rigo has done in the last 3 years that warrant being on a P4P list. Legit serious.