Tweet
Lower CW back to 190, create Super CW at 210, job done.
-
-
Is there really talent enough to create a new division at that weight class?
That is the real question.Comment
-
The specific match-ups are the point, because they prove you are wrong that Jones could have beat the best heavyweights. If Jones was capable of beating the best heavyweights, he would have tried and would have made tens of millions of dollars in the process.
Being bigger doesn't always make you better because you eventually reach a point where bigger isn't better anymore. Which is why we haven't had many 300 pound heavyweight world champions. Clearly, peak fighting weight for the greatest boxers on earth is closer to the 225-250 range. Fatigue and lack of coordination really start to creep in as you climb into the high 200s.
You're ridiculously obsessed with this "baddest man on the planet" nonsense. It's just slang for "heavyweight champion of the world" since the heavyweight champion would almost always beat the champions of the other 16 divisions.
You're wrong. Because that light heavyweight wouldn't need to make weight, which means he'd really weigh around 190 even if he didn't choose to bulk up and the commission would approve the fight regardless of weight if they believed it was a fair fight.You aren't allowed to fight a HW at 175lbs & other higher weights too (I'd have to look at the specific lbs you gotta weigh, but there is a minimum weight to fight a HW boxer).
You perpetuated the idea that the heavyweight champion isn't the champion of boxing because he would lose to light heavyweights if light heavyweights were allowed to fight him. Completely ridiculous. Fighters fight where there's the most money to be made and any fighter capable of success at a high level in the heavyweight division would be fighting at heavyweight, not draining their body down to 175 pounds to make less money.
You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. One second you're saying the heavyweight champion isn't the real champion because there are guys 50 pounds lighter that would beat him if they were allowed to face him, now you're saying they shouldn't be allowed to face him because the size is too much of an advantage to overcome. Which is it?And again that gets back to my first point. When there is a 50lb+ advantage between 2 HW boxers I think its a arguable thing that maybe that shouldn't be happening cuz that 50lbs is an advantage.
The point is simple, whoever is the champion of the unlimited class is the champion of the sport of boxing because they have proven themselves as the best fighter in the world at any weight.
Yes weight is an advantage, which is why the public still is interested in seeing who the best 175 pound fighter is, who the best 160 pound fighter is, etc.
But if you don't have an unlimited class, you never get to find out who the actual champion of the sport is. You want to make it illegal for boxing to have an actual champion, which is ridiculous.Comment
-
Of course they aren't. Some greater lighter than HW fighters could have beaten the so called "baddest man on the planet".
That's what I'm saying. You just believer 200+ is better than 200 and under. I disagree. The alleged "baddest man on the planet" COULD BE under 200lbs.Being bigger doesn't always make you better because you eventually reach a point where bigger isn't better anymore.
Bro you brought up that sci fi fantasy bs like it's a real thing. I'm telling you it's not. It's some mythical bs like P4P but given to a very select few fighters. Mike Tyson being the historical poster boy of that mythical title.You're ridiculously obsessed with this "baddest man on the planet" nonsense.
I'm saying the HW champion could lose to any guy who weighs less than him potentially it's not some sci fi bs like your "baddest man on the planet". Sam Langford was competing evenly and beating top HWs weighing 147-160ish pounds. That's when commissions were bs and black fighters would be avoided by champions for years. Commissions won't let MWs fight HWs anymore although it might be easier to avoid fighters regardless of race now.You perpetuated the idea that the heavyweight champion isn't the champion of boxing because he would lose to light heavyweights if light heavyweights were allowed to fight him. Completely ridiculous.
It's not like it's that simple. There are skill levels and there are weights advantages. If I'm bigger than a guy plus more skilled than a guy I'm probably gonna win all day every day. But there is a weight advantage vs skill level battle where a more skilled smaller guy could beat a bigger less skilled guy. We see this all the time when guys are moving up. And like Roman Gonzalez only recently found out his skill level couldn't beat naturally bigger guys eventually after excelling in 3 lesser weight divisions. That's happened numerous times in history. 147 Floyd ain't got sh^t on 130 Floyd. He was a killer. There is nothing magical about guys who weigh 200lbs+. The same equation applies.You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. One second you're saying the heavyweight champion isn't the real champion because there are guys 50 pounds lighter that would beat him if they were allowed to face him, now you're saying they shouldn't be allowed to face him because the size is too much of an advantage to overcome. Which is it?
Granted it's less commonly attempted these days with lower weight guys fighting HWs cuz commissions don't allow guys to fight at their natural weight where they're skill advantage would be hemmed up by the extra lbs so it's probably like there in a while new body trying to act like there their old self which rarely translate well. But it's completely possible.
There is no "champion of the sport". LMFAO. What is up with all your fantasy terms in boxing? The last decade or so most people thought Floyd or Manny was the "champion of the sport" if you wanna argue such a thing exists. Few gave a f#ck about Wladimir Klitschko.But if you don't have an unlimited class, you never get to find out who the actual champion of the sport is.Comment
-
I think it's height more than weight that is the factor for the "smaller" guys. I'm 5'10" and most comfortable around 210. Pushing it when young Id get up to 230. and "18" biceps cold. But my arms could never get longer and I couldn't get taller. I mean Wilder is 6'6" and 220lb! And cracks. I'd shrink up then cut to down to 175lbs if Lasix was legal. Weigh the trainer first then tare the scale back to zero. Get weighed while lifeless and held bride style. It's three years UFC salary if u don't make weight in boxing...Comment
-
Pandas, there's no way for this discussion to be productive because you can't keep a consistent position. You don't even seem to know what your position is.
The heavyweight champion is the champion of the sport because he is the champion of everyone. The cruiserweight champion is the champion of everybody 200 pounds and below. These are very simple concepts.
There is nothing sci fi about being "the baddest man on the planet." It's just a slang term for "heavyweight champion of the world." Apparently, you don't know how words work.
And you also don't know how money works. Anybody at 175 pounds capable of beating Wilder or Joshua would do so. Heavyweight doesn't have a minimum. Nobody would be draining themselves to get to 175 if they were good enough to be heavyweight champion.
Best of luck in your fantasy world. It's been a good laugh. Take care.Comment
-
I assure you the pleasure is all mine. I've never seen someone so consumed with sci fi fantasy bs like "champion of boxing" + "baddest man on the planet". And saying sh^t like size don't matter unless they've over 200lbs+ like 200lbs+ is some magical weight limit. The P4P dorks ain't got sh^t on you.Comment
Comment