Comments Thread For: WBC Prez is Firm on Exploring New Weight Class at Heavyweight

[Eff Pandas]

Yes there is. It's called the heavyweight championship of the world. 7 billion people on the planet and one of them is the best boxer. Not the best boxer who drained the water from his body to weigh less than an arbitrary number for ten seconds. The best boxer, period.

Stop with the sci fi nonsense. Plenty of HW champions haven't been seen as the "baddest man on the planet" by anyone. Hell I don't think most saw Wladimir Klitschko as the baddest man on the planet & he had a highly impressive reign. Baddest man on the planet has been a title pushed onto select few HW title holders in history. Its mythical. Its bullsh^t. It is catchy doe & thats why some minority of fans, like yourself apparently, see it as a real thing.

You can still have divisions. Just as basketball has college, high school, the WNBA, wheelchair leagues, etc.

Thats still a horrible analogy cuz those are skill level differences not height or weight or anything physical related (well expect for the handicap league). The reality is any sport with so much contact weight is playing a part in deciding the winner. Thats the whole reason we have weight divisions in the first place.

But the heavyweight champion is the champion of boxing.

LOL no its not. People haven't even been paying attention to "the champion of boxing" til recently. The whole Klitschko "baddest man on the planet era" wasn't even a thing to most people.

Is HW the most influential division to casuals when its interesting? Sure. But personality & how guys win plays into it to. Mike Tyson was that mythical baddest man on the planet. Joshua & Wilder aren't...yet at least. Klitschko definitely wasn't. Michael Moorer wasn't. Buster Douglas wasn't. Sonny Liston & Muhammad Ali probably were but that was before my time. Others were, most weren't. Its much more selective of a thing & involved capturing the publics imagination more than winning a belt.

[DinoCop]

There has to be some limit to hws. Sometimes the dif is too much.

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Stop with the sci fi nonsense. Plenty of HW champions haven't been seen as the "baddest man on the planet" by anyone. Hell I don't think most saw Wladimir Klitschko as the baddest man on the planet & he had a highly impressive reign. Baddest man on the planet has been a title pushed onto select few HW title holders in history. Its mythical. Its bullsh^t. It is catchy doe & thats why some minority of fans, like yourself apparently, see it as a real thing.

It's just a nick name for the heavyweight champion of the world. You're being purposely difficult and not discussing things in good faith. There's nothing mythical about being the heavyweight champion. You're simply the best. There's no asterisk. Not the best for your weight. Not the best for your height. Not the best for your gender. The best period.

Thats still a horrible analogy cuz those are skill level differences not height or weight or anything physical related (well expect for the handicap league).

The difference in ability between a man in a woman in an athletic contest isn't anything physical related? The difference in ability between a man and a child in an athletic contest isn't anything physical related? Are you sure you understand the words you're using?

Mike Tyson was that mythical baddest man on the planet.

There was nothing mythical about it. He was the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world and a new nick name was created to describe being the heavyweight champion. Had Tyson not been fighting in the heaviest division, nobody would have considered him the baddest man on the planet because the entire idea of the concept is that the heavyweight champion is the boxer who would beat all others.

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I applaud this move

In this era of dope test failing, steroids, and excessive use of PED'S, its a welcome idea. Are humans suddenly growing oversized ? I mean it a welcome idea.

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Its a welcomed stance

I mean, these guys are always failing drug tests, always looking oversized. They put on 40lbs of weight without fat. Its welcome, I like the idea. Let all the "roiders" be in the same weight class.

[Eff Pandas]

It's just a nick name for the heavyweight champion of the world.

But its not really. Its a mythical title laid upon certain HW champions. Every HW champion hasn't been considered the baddest man on the planet. Hell during Klitschko's reign I bet more people considered Jon Jones (pre-f#ckups & at a 205lb weight limit) the baddest man on the planet.

There's nothing mythical about being the heavyweight champion.

I'm not disagreeing with that.

You're simply the best. There's no asterisk. Not the best for your weight. Not the best for your height. Not the best for your gender. The best period.

We don't really know that doe. Cuz of weight divisions. There have been lighter fighters who've competed with & beaten HW's. Sam Langford competed with & beat top HW's in his day weighing 160 if not less iirc. I'd contend Roy Jones coulda competed with top HW's during his day (& he did eventually fight John Ruiz) if there weren't weight requirements that demanded he weigh a certain weight like commissions make you do now, but didn't always.

The difference in ability between a man in a woman in an athletic contest isn't anything physical related? The difference in ability between a man and a child in an athletic contest isn't anything physical related? Are you sure you understand the words you're using?

Fair enough with that. You threw out a bunch of sh^t no one cares about with the WNBA + wheelchair f#cking basketball. In reality basketball that people care about & is 99% of basketball probably moves from Jr High School to HS to college to the pros (& there are multiple levels of pro basketball besides the NBA where guys get paid). My main point is thats wayyyyyyyyyy different than how boxing is setup with 17 weight divisions in the pros. There's womans boxing to. Hell maybe there's wheelchair boxing somewhere to for all I know. It has nothing to do with what we are talking about doe & its a horrible f#cking comparison like I've said like 2 or 3 times now.

There was nothing mythical about it. He was the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world and a new nick name was created to describe being the heavyweight champion. Had Tyson not been fighting in the heaviest division, nobody would have considered him the baddest man on the planet because the entire idea of the concept is that the heavyweight champion is the boxer who would beat all others.

There is no baddest man on the planet tournament bro. There is no belt. There is no ranking. There is no f#cking league for it. It doesn't exist. The baddest man on the planet might actually be some 38 year old truck driver who's never fought competitively ever. The baddest man on the planet wouldn't even be confined simply to boxing if it was a real thing. If you wanna call Tyson & every HW champion the baddest man in boxing, fair play with that. That at least makes more logical sense even if I might feel that a highly talented bigger, but not HW guy like a young RJJ could beat the baddest man in boxing who was a legit HW.

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We don't really know that doe. Cuz of weight divisions. There have been lighter fighters who've competed with & beaten HW's. Sam Langford competed with & beat top HW's in his day weighing 160 if not less iirc. I'd contend Roy Jones coulda competed with top HW's during his day (& he did eventually fight John Ruiz) if there weren't weight requirements that demanded he weigh a certain weight like commissions make you do now, but didn't always.

If Roy Jones himself thought he could beat the top heavyweights, he would have tried. He didn't, because he knew better. Had nothing to do with commissions. Roy Jones knew Lennox Lewis would destroy him.

So we do know that the heavyweight champion is the best because moving to heavyweight brings so much more money to the table that any cruiserweight or light heavyweight who would be a legitimate threat to the heavyweight crown always moved up for the money.

There is no light heavyweight or cruiserweight champion with a legitimate chance to beat Wilder and Joshua right now who is being prevented from doing so because of their weight. That's not how it works. You aren't forced to fight in the lower weight class.

[Eff Pandas]

If Roy Jones himself thought he could beat the top heavyweights, he would have tried. He didn't, because he knew better. Had nothing to do with commissions. Roy Jones knew Lennox Lewis would destroy him.

The specific matchups isn't really the point. The point is that being bigger doesn't always make you better. Or more specifically this sci fi fantasy bs "baddest man on the planet".

You aren't forced to fight in the lower weight class.

You aren't allowed to fight a HW at 175lbs & other higher weights too (I'd have to look at the specific lbs you gotta weigh, but there is a minimum weight to fight a HW boxer). And once a 168lb guy or whatever moves up to 214lbs or whatever he's now a HW so it wouldn't exactly prove my point cuz the commissions have decided for a lower weight fighters safety & for fairness they won't allow it.

And again that gets back to my first point. When there is a 50lb+ advantage between 2 HW boxers I think its a arguable thing that maybe that shouldn't be happening cuz that 50lbs is an advantage. Just like it is if a 175lb guy was fighting a 225lb guy (which most if not all commissions wouldn't sanction) its a problem when its a 225lb guy fighting a 275lb guy.

That sh^t don't make sense that 3lbs+ matter if you are 118lbs or less & even up to 175lbs 4-8lbs+ is a problem, but somehow no lbs difference matters when you are over 200lbs lol. Its just dumb sh^t to think that.

[Tobi.G]

Yea honestly I'd rather see CW bumped up 5-15lbs (205-215) & a limit put on HW (265 like in MMA) cuz unlimited weight is pretty f#cking ****** if you think about it.

I think that'd solve a lot of the big weight disadvantages. Guys who were 225-230 could cut weight to get down to 215 potentially to avoid fighting these guys who got 30lbs+ on them.

Cruiserweight has already a big range from 175-200 pounds i think it should not be raised even higher. I think they should change nothing! There are already enough weight classes.

[Eff Pandas]

Cruiserweight has already a big range from 175-200 pounds i think it should not be raised even higher. I think they should change nothing! There are already enough weight classes.

Yea like I said early on I wouldn't have a problem adding more big guy divisions if we kill off some lil guy divisions. Boxing could use something between 175 & 200 too.

I think its insane 9 divisions are within 105lbs & 135lbs, but 140 to HW is only 8 divisions. Thats why the majority of multiple division champions are from the lil guy divisions. They'd as many guys doing it in the bigger weights if the weights were THAT close together.