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This is a good example of how unintelligent you are, criteria for a TUE, that is the heading for the rule yet your still arguing, retro TUEs and TUEs have the same requirements, there are some instances where retro TUEs aren't allowed to be issued, homevisits, IV boutiques etc, but here you are arguing with the requirements, your an imbecile -
You are missing the point that was made already, and made clearly. There are situations when a RETROACTIVE TUE may be accepted. ANY OF THEM ARE ACCEPTABLE.Originally posted by Shape up View Post
An application for a TUE will only be considered for retroactive approval where:
a. Emergency treatment or treatment of an acute medical condition was necessary; or
If you can't prove that this wasn't an acute medical condition, then you lose.
b. Due to other exceptional circumstances, there was insufficient time or opportunity for the Athlete to submit, or for the TUEC to consider, an application for the TUE prior to Sample collection; or
Being that the fight was the next day, I don't think it's unreasonable that this rule could apply.
c. The applicable rules required the Athlete (see comment to Article 5.1) or permitted the Athlete (see Code Article 4.4.5) to apply for a retroactive TUE; or
One of these has to do with what type of athlete Mayweather is considered. I know for a fact that he is not an international athlete like you guys have stated over and over. It's possible that they consider him a national athlete. If this one doesn't apply, you still have to show evidence of the first two not applying.
d. It is agreed, by WADA and by the Anti-Doping Organization to whom the application for a retroactive TUE is or would be made, that fairness requires the grant of a retroactive TUE.
This one also, I can't toss out. Don't know if WADA was consulted, but obviously USADA agreed that it was fair to grant it retroactively, and perhaps part of that decision came with THE DCO BEING PRESENT!
So right there, a retroactive TUE being against the rules cannot be proven because it could have been due to A, B, or D, and possibly even C depending on how he's viewed.
Now, the TUE has to pass ALL of these criteria.
4.1 An Athlete may be granted a TUE if (and only if) he/she can show, by a
balance of probability, that each of the following conditions is met:
a. The Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method in question is needed to treat an acute or chronic medical condition, such that the Athlete would experience a significant impairment to health if the Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method were to be withheld.
b. TheThe****uticUseoftheProhibitedSubstanceorProhibi tedMethodis highly unlikely to produce any additional enhancement of performance beyond what might be anticipated by a return to the Athlete’s normal state of health following the treatment of the acute or chronic medical condition.
c. There is no reasonable The****utic alternative to the Use of the Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method.
d. The necessity for the Use of the Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method is not a consequence, wholly or in part, of the prior Use (without a TUE) of a substance or method which was prohibited at the time of such Use.
By way of the first rule, it had to be a chronic or acute condition. What's also important is they have to prove drinking water wasn't a reasonable alternative. This is for the physician to diagnose and represent to multiple doctors on the TUE committee that will critique it without knowing who the athlete is!!! USADA then submits this approved of application to WADA and other ADO's and federations via ADAMS where it will sit to be possibly hacked by Russians
So again we are back to the OP. All of this shlt is documented and so many people were involved, yet no whistleblower...and the evidence is still laying around in plain sight.
Yea ok.
For your conspiracy theory to be true:
1. USADA WOULD HAVE TO HAVE EXPLICITLY HELPED MAYWEATHER TO CHEAT. SOMETIMES YOU DUDES SEEM LIKE YOU WANT TO SAY MAYWEATHER JUST CHEATED USADA, TOO. LET'S BE CLEAR. USADA WOULD HAVE TO BE INVOLVED IN YOUR CHEATING THEORY BECAUSE THE DCO IS MENTIONED AS WITNESSING THE REASON THAT THE IV WAS NEEDED. NOW HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO BE INVOLVED FOR THIS TO HAPPEN? ONE? TWO? TWELVE?
2. THE DCO WOULD HAVE TO BE IN ON IT. SEE ABOVE.
3. THE PARAMEDIC WOULD HAVE TO BE IN ON IT, BEING THAT YOU DON'T GET SUMMONED TO GIVE SOMEONE AN IV FOR NO REASON UNLESS YOU'RE WORKING AT A HYDRATION CLINIC AS ADP02 KEEPS INSINUATING, BUT IN THAT CASE, YOU DON'T REPORT THAT YOU GAVE AN IV TO MAYWEATHER THAT MAYWEATHER DIDN'T NEED? THEN YOU WOULD HAVE HAD TO BE PAID OFF. SO THIS PROVES THE PARAMEDIC WOULD HAVE TO BE IN ON IT.
4. THE TUE APPLICATION MUST BE FILLED OUT BY A PHYSICIAN. OBVIOUSLY, THE PHYSICIAN MUST BE IN ON IT.
5. THE DOCTORS ON THE THE****UTIC USE EXEMPTIONS COMMITTEE (AT LEAST 3) WOULD HAVE TO BE IN ON IT, OR WOULD HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY INEPT, WHICH IS DOUBTFUL GIVEN THAT THEY ARE SPECIALISTS IN ANTI-DOPING AND MEDICATION.
TUECs should include at least three physicians with experience in the care and treatment of Athletes and a sound knowledge of clinical, sports and exercise medicine.
BY RULE, THEY DON'T HAVE THE ATHLETES NAME ON THE APPLICATION. IF THEY RECEIVED INFO. DETAILING WHO THE APPLICATION WAS FOR, THEY WERE IN ON IT.
IF THEY DIDN'T RECEIVE THE INFO., IT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT THEY SIMPLY APPROVE THE APPLICATION BASED ON SHODDY FACTS. IT MUST BE VERY DETAILED BECAUSE IT WILL ALSO BE SENT TO WADA AND UPLOADED TO ADAMS. THESE ARE SPECIALISTS AND EXPERTS IN THEIR FIELD. IF IT WAS SO EASY TO TRICK THE TUE DOCTORS ABOUT AN IV, THEN WHY CAN'T ADP02 PROVE THAT COACH SALAZAR DID IT? APPARENTLY COACH SALAZAR WAS A BIG CHEAT, AND HE WORKED HARD TO AVOID TUE'S WHEN GIVING INFUSIONS.
6. THEN WE HAVE WADA. EITHER THEY ARE IN ON IT, OR THEY ARE LAZY AT DOING THEIR JOB. MILD UPROAR OVER THIS....YET WADA SAID NOTHING INDICATING THAT THERE WAS IMPROPRIETY. A SPOKESMAN MAD A STATEMENT DIRECTLY ABOUT THIS...AND THE RESPONSE WAS THAT IT WASN'T AGAINST THEIR RULES. ADP02 DID SHOW ONE MEMBER OF WADA WHO SAID IT WAS FISHY, BUT ALSO ADMIT THAT HE DIDN'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF THE CASE. WELL...IT'S STILL SITTING AROUND. WADA SHOULD PROBE INTO IT IF IT WAS SOMETHING.
OR MAYBE THEY HAVE. WHO KNOWS.
THIS WOULD BE THE DUMBEST ATTEMPT TO CHEAT....AND MIND YOU, THE DUMBEST WAY TO CHEAT FOR AN ORGANIZATION WHOM, IF IT IS PROVEN HAD DONE WHAT YOU ACCUSE IT OF, WOULD CONSTITUTE THE BIGGEST SPORTING SCANDLE IN UNITED STATES HISTORY, AND POSSIBLY IN THE HISTORY OF SPORTS.
YET EVERYONE BE LIKE....EH.
EITHER WAY, YOU'VE REACHED A DEAD END. IT'S OVER.Last edited by travestyny; 11-17-2017, 11:21 PM.Comment
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You live in a fantasy world, he was mildly dehydrated, anything above that and the NSAC should have been notified for health reasons, the NSAC should have been notified about the IV anyway, he can't have it at home without a prior TUE, he didn't meet the criteria for a TUE, WADA didn't monitor the situation but you see nothing wrong, your just a fanboy who licks his floyd posters non stop, your not a fan of the sport your a gimp. You posted reasons that TUEs can be issued but you still need to meet the 4 criterias for one to be issued, Fluid IVayweather didn't meet the criteriaOriginally posted by travestyny View PostYou are missing the point that was made already, and made clearly. There are situations when a RETROACTIVE TUE may be accepted. ANY OF THEM ARE ACCEPTABLE.
An application for a TUE will only be considered for retroactive approval where:
a. Emergency treatment or treatment of an acute medical condition was necessary; or
If you can't prove that this wasn't an acute medical condition, then you lose.
b. Due to other exceptional circumstances, there was insufficient time or opportunity for the Athlete to submit, or for the TUEC to consider, an application for the TUE prior to Sample collection; or
Being that the fight was the next day, I don't think it's unreasonable that this rule could apply.
c. The applicable rules required the Athlete (see comment to Article 5.1) or permitted the Athlete (see Code Article 4.4.5) to apply for a retroactive TUE; or
One of these has to do with what type of athlete Mayweather is considered. I know for a fact that he is not an international athlete like you guys have stated over and over. It's possible that they consider him a national athlete. If this one doesn't apply, you still have to show evidence of the first two not applying.
d. It is agreed, by WADA and by the Anti-Doping Organization to whom the application for a retroactive TUE is or would be made, that fairness requires the grant of a retroactive TUE.
This one also, I can't toss out. Don't know if WADA was consulted, but obviously USADA agreed that it was fair to grant it retroactively, and perhaps part of that decision came with THE DCO BEING PRESENT!
So right there, a retroactive TUE being against the rules cannot be proven because it could have been due to A, B, or D, and possibly even C depending on how he's viewed.
Now, the TUE has to pass ALL of these criteria.
By way of the first rule, it had to be a chronic or acute condition. What's also important is they have to prove drinking water wasn't a reasonable alternative. This is for the physician to diagnose and represent to multiple doctors on the TUE committee that will critique it without knowing who the athlete is!!! USADA then submits this approved of application to WADA and other ADO's and federations via ADAMS where it will sit to be possibly hacked by Russians
So again we are back to the OP. All of this shlt is documented and so many people were involved, yet no whistleblower...and the evidence is still laying around in plain sight.
Yea ok.
For your conspiracy theory to be true:
1. USADA WOULD HAVE TO HAVE EXPLICITLY HELPED MAYWEATHER TO CHEAT. SOMETIMES YOU DUDES SEEM LIKE YOU WANT TO SAY MAYWEATHER JUST CHEATED USADA, TOO. LET'S BE CLEAR. USADA WOULD HAVE TO BE INVOLVED IN YOUR CHEATING THEORY BECAUSE THE DCO IS MENTIONED AS WITNESSING THE REASON THAT THE IV WAS NEEDED. NOW HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO BE INVOLVED FOR THIS TO HAPPEN? ONE? TWO? TWELVE?
2. THE DCO WOULD HAVE TO BE IN ON IT. SEE ABOVE.
3. THE PARAMEDIC WOULD HAVE TO BE IN ON IT, BEING THAT YOU DON'T GET SUMMONED TO GIVE SOMEONE AN IV FOR NO REASON UNLESS YOU'RE WORKING AT A HYDRATION CLINIC AS ADP02 KEEPS INSINUATING, BUT IN THAT CASE, YOU DON'T REPORT THAT YOU GAVE AN IV TO MAYWEATHER THAT MAYWEATHER DIDN'T NEED? THEN YOU WOULD HAVE HAD TO BE PAID OFF. SO THIS PROVES THE PARAMEDIC WOULD HAVE TO BE IN ON IT.
4. THE TUE APPLICATION MUST BE FILLED OUT BY A PHYSICIAN. OBVIOUSLY, THE PHYSICIAN MUST BE IN ON IT.
5. THE DOCTORS ON THE THE****UTIC USE EXEMPTIONS COMMITTEE (AT LEAST 3) WOULD HAVE TO BE IN ON IT, OR WOULD HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY INEPT, WHICH IS DOUBTFUL GIVEN THAT THEY ARE SPECIALISTS IN ANTI-DOPING AND MEDICATION.
TUECs should include at least three physicians with experience in the care and treatment of Athletes and a sound knowledge of clinical, sports and exercise medicine.
BY RULE, THEY DON'T HAVE THE ATHLETES NAME ON THE APPLICATION. IF THEY RECEIVED INFO. DETAILING WHO THE APPLICATION WAS FOR, THEY WERE IN ON IT.
IF THEY DIDN'T RECEIVE THE INFO., IT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT THEY SIMPLY APPROVE THE APPLICATION BASED ON SHODDY FACTS. IT MUST BE VERY DETAILED BECAUSE IT WILL ALSO BE SENT TO WADA AND UPLOADED TO ADAMS. THESE ARE SPECIALISTS AND EXPERTS IN THEIR FIELD. IF IT WAS SO EASY TO TRICK THE TUE DOCTORS ABOUT AN IV, THEN WHY CAN'T ADP02 PROVE THAT COACH SALAZAR DID IT? APPARENTLY COACH SALAZAR WAS A BIG CHEAT, AND HE WORKED HARD TO AVOID TUE'S WHEN GIVING INFUSIONS.
6. THEN WE HAVE WADA. EITHER THEY ARE IN ON IT, OR THEY ARE LAZY AT DOING THEIR JOB. MILD UPROAR OVER THIS....YET WADA SAID NOTHING INDICATING THAT THERE WAS IMPROPRIETY. A SPOKESMAN MAD A STATEMENT DIRECTLY ABOUT THIS...AND THE RESPONSE WAS THAT IT WASN'T AGAINST THEIR RULES. ADP02 DID SHOW ONE MEMBER OF WADA WHO SAID IT WAS FISHY, BUT ALSO ADMIT THAT HE DIDN'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF THE CASE. WELL...IT'S STILL SITTING AROUND. WADA SHOULD PROBE INTO IT IF IT WAS SOMETHING.
OR MAYBE THEY HAVE. WHO KNOWS.
THIS WOULD BE THE DUMBEST ATTEMPT TO CHEAT....AND MIND YOU, THE DUMBEST WAY TO CHEAT FOR AN ORGANIZATION WHOM, IF IT IS PROVEN HAD DONE WHAT YOU ACCUSE IT OF, WOULD CONSTITUTE THE BIGGEST SPORTING SCANDLE IN UNITED STATES HISTORY, AND POSSIBLY IN THE HISTORY OF SPORTS.
YET EVERYONE BE LIKE....EH.
EITHER WAY, YOU'VE REACHED A DEAD END. IT'S OVER.Comment
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You missed the whole point of my post. Let me numb it down for you.Originally posted by Shape up View Post
If USADA wanted to help Mayweather to cheat, why wouldn't they simply tell him when they were coming for drug testing? That makes much more sense than your ****** TUE conspiracy, don't you think?Comment
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How do you know they didn't, he could know, that would be perfect for him, micro dose and be sure of when he's tested that it will come up clean, usada gets paid, fluid plays the clean sport agenda, everyone is a winner and fluid gets to juice, so how would you really know if told him, it would be a lot easier to do, 1 high ranking usada official tells him when he is being tested, how easyOriginally posted by travestyny View PostComment
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Originally posted by travestyny View PostLMAOOOOOO. ALL OF THAT AND YET NO PROOF ANYWHERE IN YOUR STATEMENT.
SHOW THE TUE FOR THE IV. ALSO, SHOW THE TUE FOR THE WHOPPING DOSES THAT YOU SPEAK OF. THE TUE’s WERE REVEALED MORON, and NO THE DOSES WERENT HIGH.
YOU LOSE AND YOU CANT ACCEPT IT. THIS IS WHY YOU ARE ONE OF THE WORST PIECES OF SHlT HERE.
THE ****ING DOCTOR PROVED HER WRONG AND YOU SAY ONLY ONE PERSON WAS PROVEN WRONG. LMAOOOO. WHERE IS THE TUE FOR THE IV, ADP02? WHERE IS YOUR PROOF. I HAVE MINE. YOU???
By the way, USADA DIDNT MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT ABUSING THE TUE PROCESS IN THAT WHOLE 200PAGE DOCUMENT!!!
Where is your proof. LETS LAY YOUR PROOF OUT AGAINST MINE AND SEE WHO MAKES A MORE CONVINCING ARGUMENT. GOOD LUCK WHEN I HAVE TUE DOCUMENTS AND DOCTOR STATEMENTS, YOU MORON, AND YOU HAVE THE WORD OF A PERSON WHOM YOU EVEN ADMIT WAS PROVEN WRONG!!!
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I decided to edit this and make it real simple for you.
1. You have zero proof that Salazar manipulated the TUE process besides the word of Kara Goucher and whomever your other phantom runners (her husband...?) are. First of all:
A. The main witness was caught in a lie about riding in a car in Daegu with a US official when Salazar called and ranted about not being able to get an IV. This was proven to be completely false.
She also stated that Rupp got TUE's for IV's before races.
A. Rupp and Salazar go public stating that Rupp has never ever had a TUE for an IV.
B. Fancy Bears hacks WADA and reveal the TUE's that Rupp has had...and not one of them are for an IV.
C. Salazar himself decides to reveal the only other 2 TUE's Rupp had after that point, and they are not for IV's.
D. USADA opens an investigation where they review Salazar's open letter of claims about why he is innocent, and they do NOT reveal that Salazar was lying about Rupp never having a TUE for an IV.
E. Salazar claims that all of Rupp's TUES...ALL OF THEM, were for his asthma and allergies. All of the TUES were in line with someone with known allergy and asthma problems:
F. Salazar was manipulating TUE's for Rupp right? But Rupp had 0 TUE's in 2013, 0 in 2014, and 0 in 2015. Mind you, from what I can find, Kara went public with her story in 2015
so...your proof is a witness who was proven wrong, and whom you admit was proven wrong, and whom the facts show was wrong. And that's all for your proof.
My proof:
A statement from a doctor saying there was no IV requested in Daegu
An email that makes it clear that Goucher lied about a phonecall requesting a TUE for an IV.
A statement from Salazar telling his athletes to not declare because A TUE WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED.
USADA being on the case and not revealing any false information given by Salazar about TUE's.
Leaked TUE's that reveal no IV and nothing out of the ordinary.
Do I need to say more?
ADMIT THAT YOU ARE WRONG!!!! YOU'RE A DISGRACE!
Disgrace? Disgraceful is your entire post!!!
1. You have no proof except
Like Salazar tried to do, you have a funny way of twisting the truth but at least Salazar didn't say it quite so dumb as you did.
There were 2 witnesses who came to the plate on this!
All you have is what Salazar showed you. LOL Lets continue ....
a) The witness lied?
Well, how about the other witness??? They all lied? LOL
You are getting your proof from Salazar! Read below!
Does USADA accept Salazar's "proof", honesty and so on?
Here is another email from Salazar stating that everything was OK because he got USADA on board:
" In an email message obtained by antidoping officials, Salazar then appeared to mislead Ritzenhein:
“Hi Dathan, we are cutting edge but we take no chances on a screw up. Everything is above board and cleared thru Usada. They know me very well
because I always get an okay before doing anything!
In its report, the antidoping agency said, “Salazar’s statement about always getting clearance with Usada ‘before doing anything’ is both ironic and inaccurate.”
Here is more:
"The foregoing interview testimony from Salazar about allegedly not being aware that the
infusion protocol was supposed to change is not credible.....
Rather, Salazar’s December 9 email concerning
Dathan Ritzenhein demonstrates that Salazar sought to hoodwink USADA into
providing permission for Salazar’s athletes to receive prohibited infusions based on an intentionally false premise that USADA would merely be approving a research study for the “four or five athletes” whom Salazar sought to include in the study.
Rather, with respect to Dathan Ritzenhein
Salazar’s only motivation was to deceive USADA into authorizing a research study"
This point concerning Salazar’s knowingly false statement to USADA and his true motive
B) Twisting the truth again?
Fancy Bear hack got a hold of Galen Rupp's TUEs for 2009 not for his entire career!
Just that year alone, Rupp had 3 TUEs!!! WHOaaaa!!!
C) Salazar?
- Salazar is not a credible source!
- Salazar conveniently leaves out all the years prior to 2010 where he had many TUEs.
- The witness brings up 2007 as one of the times that Salazar tried to get a TUE for an IV.
- Salazar had many athletes under his belt! He was coaching all of his athletes not just Rupp!!! LOL You are too funny! You thought that he only coached one athlete?
- Do you have all of the TUEs for Rupp?
- Do you have all of the TUEs for all of his athletes? LOL
D) What????????? Innocent? LOL
- USADA states that the investigation is not over!
- They didn't clear Salazar, right? They was nothing positive about USADA's statements!
- Read point C!
- Why who is innocent? Salazar? Rupp?
but as you know, there is a lot more on Salazar and his athletes!!!USADA: massaging banned substance
"Salazar has acknowledged that Rupp has
a favored status within the Oregon Project. Salazar’s massages of Rupp have been considered su****ious because Nike employs massage therapists but Salazar has insisted on personally giving the massages to Rupp."
E) Salazar?
- Salazar is not a credible source!
They will show you, me and USADA only what they want us to see but even there, they made some mistakes.
USADA has been unable to review all of the records related to Galen Rupp’s care with Dr. Brown because once he learned of USADA’s investigation Alberto Salazar’s attorney – who is also Galen Rupp’s attorney – refused to provide USADA Rupp’s complete medical file with Dr. Brown. Nevertheless, from the
limited records that USADA has reviewed, as described above, it is apparent that Dr.
Brown improperly allowed Alberto Salazar to exercise control over communications and
medical decision-making related to Rupp’s thyroid replacement therapy.Rupp’s and Salazar’s lawyer has also refused to produce email correspondence
between Rupp and Salazar and between Rupp and Dr. Brown regarding any diagnosis of Rupp’s claimed thyroid disease and concerning any prescription for thyroid medication.
Asthma? LOL
"Reliance on Asthma Inhalers within Oregon Project
Lindsey Allen recalls that Salazar was ******* with inhalers. If Salazar thought someone needed an inhaler, Allen says that Salazar would just get one from another athlete and giving it to the person who needed it.
Lindsay recalled one instance when she was in Alabama, she believed, and getting over a cold. She was using Advair with a strength of 250/250. Salazar however wanted to increase her dosage so Salazar had her use Galen Rupp’s 500/500 inhaler. ""Another example of Salazar’s control of inhaler use within the Oregon Project
was an instance in 2012 when Alberto Salazar informed Mo Farah’s British physician that Salazar had added an additional inhaler to those already prescribed for the athlete.
Salazar wrote:
Mo is still taking all the inhalers you gave him. I only ADDED the QVAR for a little extra corticosteroid protection on top of his fluticacone since it alone
didn't seem to be taking care of his symptoms.""USADA subsequently interviewed Ms. Fleshman who
confirmed her experience with Salazar in her interview with USADA. A number of other athletes interviewed by USADA have supported the position that Salazar has encouraged athletes to use inhalers and other prescription medications contrary to how
they have prescribed in order to enhance athletic performance."“Elite Runner Had Qualms When Alberto Salazar Told Her to Use Asthma Drug for Performance,”
"Ulrey said that Salazar then “grilled” him about what medications and
medical conditions Ulrey had. Other athletes also describe that within a short time of
meeting Salazar he debriefed them concerning all medical conditions and treatments
they were receiving, as well as whether they had investigated a variety of medical areas
that Salazar brought up such as asthma and thyroid conditions.""In fact, many of the members of the Oregon Project have been diagnosed with asthma and use inhalers."
F) Fancy Bear found 3 TUEs in 2009 alone.
Oh wait, you are going by Salazar's statement? LOL
Again, why does he say 2010+? Why did he miss out prior to that? Because he knows prior to that there were a lot more, for starters ... Fancy Bear confirmed that! LOL
One incident occurred in 2007!
"Goucher, confirming she had been talking to the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) since 2013, said she looked forward to testifying under oath about Salazar over the doping allegations. I would welcome that opportunity for myself, for every former Oregon Project member, for every doctor that has been involved, to go under oath,” Goucher
Here is Salazar when questioned by USADA - Remember that USADA already knew that Salazar knew but Salazar said this:
Q In fact, sir, you knew that the procedure needed to be changed from
Steve Magness’s procedure, after you got this email from Matt Fedoruk,
because Mr. Magness had received more than 50 milliliters, correct?
A I don’t remember that, that he ever got, I don’t remember him ever getting, I don’t remember him ever telling me, or Dr. Brown telling me, that
they were going to do anything that was not following the WADA and USADA rules.
Q Then why, sir, did you have to change the protocol for the IV?
MR. COLLINS: Objection. He never said he changed the protocol.
Q Didn’t you understand that the IV protocol was changed after
December 6th by Dr. Brown, by Steve Magness –
MR. COLLINS: Objection.
Q – and I believe possibly others.
MR. COLLINS: Asked and answered.
A I don’t remember that.
Q You don’t remember that?
A No. I don’t remember that there was some change.
In summary, your proof is from Salazar in which you now know is not a reliable source.
More comical "proof" from Travesyny's go to man Salazar and company:
"In an email message obtained by antidoping officials, Salazar then appeared to mislead Ritzenhein: “Hi Dathan, we are cutting edge but we take no chances on a screw up. Everything is above board and cleared thru Usada. They know me very well because I always get an okay before doing anything!”
In its report, the antidoping agency said, “Salazar’s statement about always getting clearance with Usada ‘before doing anything’ is both ironic and inaccurate.”
“Salazar’s conduct here is patently calculating, misleading and dishonest,” the antidoping officials wrote in the report
United States antidoping officials now believe that Salazar and a Texas endocrinologist administered an infusion procedure in violation of antidoping rules, colluded to cover it up and then lied to their athletes about its legality
More on Salazar and his emails. Salazar = travestyny's proof LOL KABOOOM!!!
As we will see, Salazar would again seek to contort emails exchanged with USADA as retroactive approval of a course of action Salazar never actually explained to USADA.
and Salazar LIES and becomes forgetful:
Salazar: "A I don’t remember that, that he ever got, I don’t remember him ever getting, I don’t remember him ever telling me, or Dr. Brown telling me, that
they were going to do anything that was not following the WADA and USADA rules."
Evidence missing:
The tag team of Salazar and doctor Brown: It's Brown's turn to hide the truth:
"However, these records were missing from the medical records provided to USADA, indicating apparently either that Dr.Brown kept incomplete medical records or that someone intentionally removed these records from the copy of the medical file his office provided to USADA.
Dr. Brown’s alteration of medical records supports an inference that he was well aware that the infusion which he gave to Dathan Ritzenhein exceeded the WADA 50 mL limit."
Remember Salazar's "open Letter" that you keep on referencing? LOL
In his Open Letter Alberto Salazar claimed, “[s]o the record is clear, I have
coached 55 professional athletes in my career. Of those 55 athletes only 5 have been diagnosed with hypothyroidism after I had started coaching them[.]”105
Yet, there is a logical fallacy inherent in Salazar’s contention. Salazar focused on an irrelevant sample size. The allegations asserted against Salazar have been that his source for su****ious thyroid diagnoses and his means of manipulating athlete thyroid levels was Dr. Jeffrey Brown.
Therefore, the relevant time frame for analysis consists only of that period of time during which Salazar was actually working with Dr. Brown,
a period of time which is considerably shorter than Salazar’s entire coaching career which has ranged over an approximately twenty-one (21) year period from 1995 – 2016.
USADA has not been able to obtain the medical records of every Salazar-coached athlete who ultimately became a patient of Dr. Brown.
Yet, from the limited records that USADA has been able to review and from the interviews we have
conducted, it appears that at least six (6) athletes, including Amy Begley, Kara Goucher,
Arianna Lambie, Galen Rupp, Dathan Ritzenhein and Chris Solinsky began taking
thyroid medication from Dr. Brown while being coached by Alberto Salazar.
Additionally, Salazar conceded in his interview that a seventh NOP athlete,
Thus, Salazar has plainly undersold the number and significance of the hypothyroid diagnoses made by Dr.
Brown on NOP athletes.
"Only 3 of the 44 professional athletes I’ve coached were diagnosed with hypothyroidism after starting to train with the Oregon Project. and I am not aware of any performance enhancing benefits."
Thyroid hormone induces erythropoietin gene expression through augmented accumulation of hypoxia-inducible factor-1
Back to your point about DISGRACE and BEING WRONG!!!
and of course, what you now avoid to bring up. Ooops
HERE is what you said before LOL
Travestyny
"I'm assuming that you didn't look into this at all. By "abusing the the****utic use exemptions system," apparently what was meant was trying to work around it so that a TUE would NOT have to be applied for.
The guy gave infusions, via small injections under 50ml.
He had several emails with someone at USADA who specializes in TUE's to understand the rules and in particular when a TUE would NOT have to be applied for. Oh, and there is a document detailing all of this, once again, BY USADA. Isn't it ironic that each time you deflect to another athlete, it's USADA who is on their ass?
Here is one of his emails to his athletes, in which he tells them they will NOT need a TUE. HE OBVIOUSLY WAS TRYING TO AVOID THE TUE PROCESS!
Quote:
HI Dathan, Alvina ,and Galen, For your interest. When asked about an Infusion, you are to say no. LCarnitine and Iron in the way we have it done is classified as an injection. So no TUE’s and no declaration needed, not online and not when asked about infusions when getting drug tested in or out of competition.. Thanks.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B12...puUklyRzQ/view
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LIAR! Go read your previous email. I posted it above.
You said that Salazar had it under 50ml so no TUE was necessary now you realized that was not the case. So now you are changing it up! Ooops!
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Originally posted by WesternChamp View Post
Floyd even says that some athletes use pedialyte and other alternatives ... he used a (BANNED) IV!!!
For what? Dehydration!
Floyd fans: Read what Floyd says. Why and his BS excuses!
Then go check out the rules and let me know which one makes sense to you.
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AGAIN. ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF. YOU NEED TO STEP THE **** UP.Originally posted by ADP02 View PostDisgrace? Disgraceful is your entire post!!!
1. You have no proof except
Like Salazar tried to do, you have a funny way of twisting the truth but at least Salazar didn't say it quite so dumb as you did.
There were 2 witnesses who came to the plate on this!
All you have is what Salazar showed you. LOL Lets continue ....
a) The witness lied?
Well, how about the other witness??? They all lied? LOL
You are getting your proof from Salazar! Read below!
Does USADA accept Salazar's "proof", honesty and so on?
Here is another email from Salazar stating that everything was OK because he got USADA on board:
Here is more:
B) Twisting the truth again?
Fancy Bear hack got a hold of Galen Rupp's TUEs for 2009 not for his entire career!
Just that year alone, Rupp had 3 TUEs!!! WHOaaaa!!!
C) Salazar?
- Salazar is not a credible source!
- Salazar conveniently leaves out all the years prior to 2010 where he had many TUEs.
- The witness brings up 2007 as one of the times that Salazar tried to get a TUE for an IV.
- Salazar had many athletes under his belt! He was coaching all of his athletes not just Rupp!!! LOL You are too funny! You thought that he only coached one athlete?
- Do you have all of the TUEs for Rupp?
- Do you have all of the TUEs for all of his athletes? LOL
D) What????????? Innocent? LOL
- USADA states that the investigation is not over!
- They didn't clear Salazar, right? They was nothing positive about USADA's statements!
- Read point C!
- Why who is innocent? Salazar? Rupp?
but as you know, there is a lot more on Salazar and his athletes!!!
E) Salazar?
- Salazar is not a credible source!
They will show you, me and USADA only what they want us to see but even there, they made some mistakes.
Asthma? LOL
F) Fancy Bear found 3 TUEs in 2009 alone.
Oh wait, you are going by Salazar's statement? LOL
Again, why does he say 2010+? Why did he miss out prior to that? Because he knows prior to that there were a lot more, for starters ... Fancy Bear confirmed that! LOL
One incident occurred in 2007!
Here is Salazar when questioned by USADA - Remember that USADA already knew that Salazar knew but Salazar said this:
In summary, your proof is from Salazar in which you now know is not a reliable source.
More comical "proof" from Travesyny's go to man Salazar and company:
More on Salazar and his emails. Salazar = travestyny's proof LOL KABOOOM!!!
and Salazar LIES and becomes forgetful:
Evidence missing:
The tag team of Salazar and doctor Brown: It's Brown's turn to hide the truth:
Remember Salazar's "open Letter" that you keep on referencing? LOL
Back to your point about DISGRACE and BEING WRONG!!!
and of course, what you now avoid to bring up. Ooops
HERE is what you said before LOL
LIAR! Go read your previous email. I posted it above.
You said that Salazar had it under 50ml so no TUE was necessary now you realized that was not the case. So now you are changing it up! Ooops!
1. I HAVE ACTUAL TUE DOCUMENTS!
2. I HAVE EMAILS FROM SALAZAR, FROM US TEAM DOCTORS, AND FROM US TEAM OFFICIALS.
3. I HAVE USADA WHO DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT MANIPULATION OF TUES, OR THAT SALAZAR'S STATEMENTS WERE WRONG ABOUT ALL OF RUPP'S TUES, WHICH USADA HAS ACCESS TO YOU DOPE HEAD.
4. I HAVE PROOF THAT SALAZAR TRIED TO AVOID THE TUE PROCESS.
And what do you have?
A WITNESS THAT YOU EVEN ADMIT WAS PROVEN WRONG.
WHY DON'T YOU TRY LISTING YOUR EVIDENCE INSTEAD OF DEFLECTING! WHAT DOCUMENTS AND EMAILS DO YOU HAVE? DO YOU HAVE ANY TUE'S? DO YOU HAVE ANYONE WHO HAS ACCESS TO THE TUE'S STATING THAT THIS INFORMATION IS TRUE, OR DO I HAVE THE ONLY PERSON CLAIMING THAT THE TUE MANIPULATION WAS TRUE BEING PROVEN TO BE A LIAR?
ADMIT YOU ARE WRONG AND STOP BEING A BlTCH!Last edited by travestyny; 11-18-2017, 06:31 AM.Comment
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Originally posted by koolkc107 View Post
DEFLECTO!!!
Actually there are 2 problems ... maybe 3
None of those 4 meets Floyd's situation.
Emergency?
Paramedic tends to rush patients to a hospital not stay with them for an hour or so at his mansion!! and they would not be providing solutions with an "assortment" of "vitamins"!!! WTF!!!
Unless it's one of those services that provide solely IVs to people with hangovers in VEGAS but you do NOT CALL THEM FOR EMERGENCIES!!! They even state that they are not for handling severe dehydration (emergency cases)
Exceptional Circumstance?
Floyd lost nothing so he had to gain nothing so that means that he was not even dehydrated after he drank adequately!!!
There was NOTHING exceptional in Floyd's case unless you mean that it was exceptional circumstance in that Floyd was fine and he still got 2 BANNED IVs ...
The other points are mainly for athletes who are either not registered in a testing pool BUT Floyd was
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the other point is for someone who was NOT considered/defined as an "athlete" who became one and there was no time to get himself a TUE during that transition period. This is also along the lines of a reason for an Exceptional Circumstance .
and it's not just those 4 points.
There are specific criteria to be met to use an IV:
- Floyd was able to drink fluids adequately!!!
- Floyd drank and so he was NOT extremely dehydrated.
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WHY THE **** DO YOU KEEP POSTING THIS. YOU ARE A COMPLETE MORON.Originally posted by ADP02 View PostYou said that Salazar had it under 50ml so no TUE was necessary now you realized that was not the case. So now you are changing it up! Ooops!
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HI Dathan, Alvina ,and Galen, For your interest. When asked about an Infusion, you are to say no. LCarnitine and Iron in the way we have it done is classified as an injection. So no TUE’s and no declaration needed, not online and not when asked about infusions when getting tested in or out of competition.. Thanks.380
WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT MEANS, FOOL?
2. EVEN IF HE WENT OVER 50ML, HE STILL DID NOT SEEK A TUE YOU MORON. YOU ARE PROVING MY CASE INSTEAD OF YOUR OWN
AND GIVE ME THAT ****ING LINK ALREADY! HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO ASK?Comment
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