Here's Where All The Floyd Cheat Theories Fail

[travestyny]

He's international level,

FROM THE ISTUE:

Athlete: Any Person who competes in sport at the international level (as defined by each International Federation)

4.4.3 An Athlete who is an International-Level Athlete should apply to his or her International Federation.
https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/defau...final-en_0.pdf

SO TELL ME...WHAT INTERNATIONAL FEDERATION SHOULD MAYWEATHER HAVE APPLIED TO FOR THE TUE

[travestyny]

He's international level

Still waiting, f@g. Tell me what international federation he is a member of. Here is the list.

Archery (WA) - World Archery Federation
Athletics (IAAF) - International Association of Athletics Federations
Badminton (BWF) - Badminton World Federation
Basketball (FIBA) - International Basketball Federation
Boxing (AIBA) - International Boxing Association
Canoe (ICF) - International Canoe Federation
Cycling (UCI) - International Cycling Union
Equestrian (FEI) - International Equestrian Federation
Fencing (FIE) - International Fencing Federation
Football (FIFA) - International Football Federation
Golf (IGF) - International Golf Federation
Gymnastics (FIG) - International Gymnastics Federation
Handball (IHF) - International Handball Federation
Hockey (FIH) - International Hockey Federation
Judo (IJF) - International Judo Federation
Modern Pentathlon (UIPM) - International Modern Pentathlon Union
Rowing (FISA) - International Federation of Rowing Associations
Rugby - World Rugby
Sailing - World Sailing Limited
Shooting (ISSF) - International Shooting Sport Federation
Swimming (FINA) - International Swimming Federation
Table Tennis (ITTF) - International Table Tennis Federation
Taekwondo - World Taekwondo
Tennis (ITF) - International Tennis Federation
Triathlon (ITU) - International Triathlon Union
Volleyball (FIVB) - International Volleyball Federation
Weightlifting (IWF) - International Weightlifting Federation
Wrestling (UWW) - United World Wrestling

The AIBA just started accepting professionals in 2016:

Because A.I.B.A. did not decide to admit professional fighters into the Olympics until June, only three of them qualified for the Rio Games, and all three made early exits. Hassan N’Dam N’Jikam, a light heavyweight from Cameroon, lost in a unanimous decision in his first fight. Carmine Tommasone, a lightweight from Italy, was bounced in his second fight. Amnat Ruenroeng, a lightweight from Thailand, also lost his second fight, which was halted in the third round.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/16/s...-olympics.html

None of the fighters under the AIBA are from America

Go find Manny Pacquiao's name in their list of boxers in the professoinal program

http://www.aibaproboxing.com


What you got, chump? Embarrassed yet?

[Shape up]

Easy, WBO, WBC, WBA ******

[Shape up]

How dumb are you ******ny so you post this-------4.5.5 if an anti-doping organization chooses to collect a Sample from a Person who is not an International- level or national-level athlete, and that Person is using a Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method for the****utic reasons, the anti-doping organization may permit him or her to apply for a retroactive tue.
https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/defau...e.pdf--------- and then say he is neither international level, nor national level, so what is he, suburban level athlete you moron, then you post a list of Olympic sports to show the federations they are affiliated with, you must be simple, it's the only explaination

[travestyny]

Easy, WBO, WBC, WBA ******

LMAOOOOOOOOO. ARE THOSE WADA SIGNATORIES, YOU MORON?

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[travestyny]

How dumb are you ******ny so you post this-------4.5.5 if an anti-doping organization chooses to collect a Sample from a Person who is not an International- level or national-level athlete, and that Person is using a Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method for the****utic reasons, the anti-doping organization may permit him or her to apply for a retroactive tue.
https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/defau...e.pdf--------- and then say he is neither international level, nor national level, so what is he, suburban level athlete you moron, then you post a list of Olympic sports to show the federations they are affiliated with, you must be simple, it's the only explaination

LMAOOOOO. How can he be an international level athlete you idiot? Look at the rules. International level athletes are described by the international federations. There is only one for boxing, you dumbass

[travestyny]

Easy, WBO, WBC, WBA ******

FROM THE ISTUE:

Athlete: Any Person who competes in sport at the international level (as defined by each International Federation)

4.4.3 An Athlete who is an International-Level Athlete should apply to his or her International Federation.
https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/defau...final-en_0.pdf

So was he supposed to apply for a TUE from the WBA, WBO, or WBC....according to WADA's rules??? LMAOOOOO

YOU ****ING IDIOT!!!

[koolkc107]

Easy, WBO, WBC, WBA ******

Every single time I think this fool has posted the ******est boxing take I have ever seen, he fools me again by posting an even ******er one.

[ADP02]

If you are going to spew every excuse that comes off the top of your head, could you at least have the common decency to source your accusations?

Where are the links supporting what you say?

Of course WADA is monitoring the testing in Floyd's fight.

The contract (cited numerous times in this thread) says that all findings would be reported directly to both USADA and WADA.

TUEs (retroactive and otherwise) are granted by the signatory. However, WADA can intervene (without being paid to intervene) if the TUE is granted under improper circumstances.

Obviously, this case was done the right way for a retroactive TUE to be granted. (see pg 2 below).

https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/defau..._july_2016.pdf

Floyd or his doctor would have zero control over what WADA sees or doesn't see. As previously stated ad nauseum by myself and others here (particularly Travestyny, who has thoroughly trashed your nonsense better than I ever could) WADA gets the same info USADA does and gets it WHEN USADA gets it. The DCOs give those samples to WADA certified labs. To say that USADA did "the minimum" means you are really unfamiliar with what this is all about. USADA must adhere to WADA protocols and methods EVERY TIME or they run the risk of getting suspended as RUSADA was. WADA accredited labs must adhere to WADA methods and protocols EVERY TIME or they run the risk of being de-certified.

Where a lot of folks got confused was because of the media shytstorm started by Hauser which was based on a false premise. For example, ESPN's report starts out this way.

On the eve of his record-breaking megafight with Manny Pacquiao on May 2, pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather took an intravenous injection of saline and vitamins that was banned under World Anti-Doping Agency guidelines, according to a report by SB Nation on Wednesday.

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/i...cording-report

The problem with ESPN's (and almost everyone else's) reporting is that what Floyd did WAS NOT BANNED UNDER WADA GUIDELINES. The WADA protocol (again, cited many times in this thread by myself and others) fully allows what transpired.

But, it sounds better if you say that instead of the truth which would have read like this:

On the eve of his record-breaking megafight with Manny Pacquiao on May 2, pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather took an intravenous injection of saline and vitamins that required a The****utic Use Exemption (TUE) under World Anti-Doping Agency guidelines. The TUE was subsequently obtained retroactively, according to a report by SB Nation on Wednesday.

That's more like how Kevin Iole originally reported it back in May and it is no surprise that we heard nothing but crickets in May.

Mayweather also applied for, and was given, a the****utic use exemption (TUE) for rehydration purposes after the May 1 weigh-in. He took two separate mixes. The first was a mixture of 250 ml of saline and multi-vitamins. The second was a 500 ml mixuture of saline and Vitamin C. He was urine tested both before and after taking the solutions.

Nevada rules permit the mixes that Mayweather took, but because USADA was overseeing the testing he applied for and was granted the TUE for them.

All tests came back negative.

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxin...182400390.html

It was a non-story and rightfully so.

WADA is an oversight agency. If it involves one of their signatories they don't need to get paid to review a case- that's their job. No one had to request anything.

As far as RUSADA and Russia, either you don't understand what I am contending there or you are willfully ignoring it because to say I have a point destroys a lot of yours.

I am not saying WADA didn't sit on their hands for years in the face of allegations.

I am saying that when they did move, it was because of a media shytstorm...one a whole lot smaller than the media shytstorm generated by Floyd's IV.

So, what sense does it then make for WADA to ream RUSADA and the Russian labs while doing nothing to USADA and the American labs when Floyd's scandal happened THE EXACT SAME TIME THEY WERE STOMPING ALL OVER RUSADA.

Why put out one fire while leaving a much more visible one burning?

The ONLY ANSWER to that last is that there was nothing to put out, nothing WADA COULD SANCTION.

WADA HAD (AND STILL HAS) ALL THE INFO from the testing. NO INVESTIGATION WAS NEEDED since they already had all the data they needed to make a case if there was one.

And here we are, 2 and a half years later, and WADA has not seen fit to investigate anything since there is no violation to investigate.

But here's something else.

Where has the media been for 2 and a half years?

How come no one (not even Hauser) has had anything to say in all this time?

You would think that in 2 and a half years SOMEONE IN THE MEDIA would have uncovered more if there was more to be uncovered.

You got plenty of angry former Money Team guys running around.

You have claimed the labs were involved in covering things up so why are they also not able to be bribed by the media to reveal damaging info? You think Hauser and others haven't already tried by now?

THERE IS NOTHING TO REVEAL.

EVERYONE KNOWS IT EXCEPT A FEW BUTTHURT MESSAGEBOARD POSTERS WHO CAN'T SEEM TO GET THE IMAGE OF THEIR HERO GETTING SCHOOLED FOR 12 ROUNDS OUT OF THEIR MINDS.

Remember, try to source contentions you forward as fact.

Are you serious! Spew?

You tried to spew that after the weigh-in, the IV was the DCO's and USADA's call not Floyd and his doctor.
Can you show me the link that proves your nonesense? Next time provide the link and quote!!! Oh wait, you cannot because YOU ARE WRONG!!!

I at least provided a quote that contradicts your nonsense. That was not enough for you? LOL



What I pointed out is that TUE's that are approved by ADO does not need to be reviewed by WADA. It's optional. When not obliged to, WADA can even refuse to review cases where they are even requested to be reviewed!






You then said that Floyd's case was bigger than the Russian scandal. Well, for the Russian scandal there was some investigating, "reporting" and so on. Can you please provide to me the "investigating", "reporting" and WADA TUEC's decision on Floyd? A quote? A link?




Now lets go back to Floyd's BS RETRO TUE:
As I keep on stating, it's OPTIONAL for WADA to even review but lets say they do. What are they looking for? Well, remember that I keep telling you guys that Floyd and his doctor will be showing the TUEC exactly what they want them to see NOTHING MORE!

Will Floyd's doctor be pointing out that:
- Floyd was examined by other physicians (NSAC) just prior to the IV? Nope!
- Vital signs by NSAC physician are available? and ALL NORMAL!!! Nope!
- That Floyd drank adequately prior to getting the BANNED IV? Nope!
- That Floyd made weight EASILY? Nope!
- Floyd's BS excuses didn't make sense since Floyd hadn't given blood in 10 days, giving urine is laughable excuse and Floyd was no longer in heavy training mode? Nope!
- That Floyd weighed in at 148 a week before and weighed 146 just prior to the IV? Nope! Then Floyd drank enough to boost him back up to close to 148? Nope!
- Floyd gave an interview after getting the IV and said, he doesn't dehydrate his body like others and life is good for him right now? Nope!
- Will Floyd include Floyd's pre-fight form? Nope!
- Previous fights with Maidana, video of FLoyd eating a 5 course breakfast? Nope!
- 152 fight with Canelo, Floyd video that he was struggling to keep his weight up? Nope!

So again, what will Floyd's side show? They will look at the criteria in the ISTUE and try their very best to show that Floyd qualified.

So to say, WADA will not be investigating if Floyd and Floyd's doctor can show enough BS in their documentation. The organization that was paid well to thoroughly vet the BS RETRO TUE was USADA. USADA did NOT since they just rubber stamped it .... but on other cases and as admitted by Novitsky, who was questioned on how can an IV case take so long, RETRO TUEs can take weeks if not months to thoroughly vet!


BUT to repeat, for WADA, it's optional to review and they will only be looking at if Floyd's doctor provided enough BS to meet the criteria.


Now here are quotes from a Floyd fan blogger. While he tried to excuse Floyd, he did say this:
"Lockhart also mentions that in his experience 99-100% of MMA fighters use IV rehydration. It is unlikely that all of these fighters would be deemed dehydrated severely enough to warrant an IV infusion, but for many, they feel they need it. Apart from his inability to provide a full urine sample, there is little to suggest Mayweather was severely dehydrated, but it is entirely possible he felt he needed one, which prompted the requested. Of course, this does not justify its use and the grounds on which USADA granted that request is, by far, the most interesting aspect of this version of events."
http://behindthegloves.com/thomas-ha...yd-mayweather/





You said "Floyd or his doctor would have zero control over what WADA sees or doesn't see."
Well actually, as I pointed out, WADA would be looking to see if what Floyd's doctor stated meets the criteria. WADA would be the one who has little control over whether FLoyd's doctor stated the truth or not unless it's so obvious .... but as I said, Floyd's doctor would NOT be shooting themselves in the foot and make it obvious.


USADA: It appears that you are not familiar and do not understand the difference between the Russian scandal and Floyd's scandal.
In Floyd's case, if USADA does the basic steps that is required, what do you think that WADA will do? NOTHING!!! Why? Because they followed the steps required!!! Yes, if Floyd's doctor bungled it and IF WADA reviewed the TUE, then WADA can possibly overturn USADA's decision and deny the granted RETRO TUE but that doesn't mean that WADA would be suspending USADA. Why do you think WADA can be requested to review a TUE? Because they can have a different opinion than USADA (ADO) and this WOULD NOT BE THE FIRST TIME!!!!



Difference: With the Russian scandal, WADA didn't have the information sitting on their lap by looking at the TUEs. WADA got several tips and information that there was a HUGE SCANDAL going on with MANY RUSSIAN athletes and it was NOT a one time thing.
It could involve the WADA certified LABs, Russian ADO, government, athletes, trainers, doctors ...... With Floyd, WADA didn't get that kind of detailed information since nobody stepped up. With the Russian scandal it took many years and key witnesses that came out with the truth before WADA decided to do something about it.

And no it was not the same type of pressure. Floyd's scandal was out of main ****** media after a day or so. The Russian scandal was constant pressure from the media, other countries, athletes, other ADOs. Conflicts between OIC and WADA and more .... It was in the news for many months and years.

So we have all these reports, investigations, thorough vetting with the Russian scandal. I can show you all that with links and all but with Floyd, please provide me with all the links that WADA or USADA did investigate. Links, quotes that there was a thorough vetting process that occurred. That there were FINAL reports that were presented to the media.

If there was, USADA and Floyd would be showing that to you and me to state, "See, USADA did a thorough investigation just like it does for other athletes ... but since Floyd's was a scandal, we put extra effort to verify the truth. WADA did one too!" THAT DID NOT HAPPEN!!!!! If I'm wrong, prove it to me!



So I'm waiting for your to provide all those links and quotes on this plus I'm still waiting for the links to taking the IV was the DCO's and USADA's call not Floyd and his doctor.




BTW - No it's not haters but many experts as well who are scratching their heads on Floyd's IV scandal:
Here is what the head of the WADA TUE Committee and physician had to say. Floyd should NOT have received a RETRO TUE. You do not get one as easily as USADA gave them out.

"They gave Floyd a RETRO TUE and only came to light 21 days after the fight. Wow, USADA is doing that because they are getting paid. USADA is supposed to be a body that is supposed to be completely independent. Wow, its a murky world. Yes it is murky and quite frankly sensed disappointment."

"When it comes to RETRO TUEs". Made only when you do not have enough time to apply. Lets say someone gets injured on the field and goes to surgery that night .... and post-op they give him drugs. Its totally acceptable. You get the anesthetists report, the surgeons report then you put all that on the TUE form. Perfectly acceptable. That is what a RETRO TUE is all about. An URGENT .... Someone has an anaphylactic allergic reaction and needs the drugs (URGENTLY). Right, that is not someone who is going to play at tennis open final or race at the Tour de France. No (its not for that). That is when I challenge the system. Its a red flag."

"I TOTALLY AGREE. It doesn't smell right to me. To enable you to compete, you get a RETRO TUE to get an IV? What were they giving him and why couldn't they rehydrate him orally, clinically, that is what we do. You do not need an IV unless you are vomiting and have diarrheas and cannot drink orally and if that all happens then you will not be entering the ring against Manny Pacquiao."




and NO, it is NOT my imagination.
1) None of you have come back with any reasonable explanation that one can weigh relatively the same for 30 days, admit to making weight EASILY for a decade, drinks adequately and using Floyd's BS excuses as to the cause of his "extreme dehydration", as Floyd said.

Using USADA/WADA/NSAC own statements, mathematically and scientifically and according to studies all Floyd had to do was drink a couple of cups of water for each pound lost.
Floyd was not more than mildly dehydrated at the weigh-in and that should have been resolved after drinking in about 45 minutes or so, which we all saw him do!!! If you think otherwise, prove me wrong.





2) WADA admits that there is a problem when they pointed out that there is:
"(The Lack of) Effectiveness of the Testing Portion of Anti-Doping Programs":

"DCOs have been harassed, threatened, confined and subjected to attempts to be bribed in many countries."

"Inherent conflicts of interest within the organizations that mitigate against vigorous anti-doping activities."

"Lack of interest in effectiveness of anti-doping programs – sole concern is showing minimal Code compliance."

"WADA - Weaknesses Observed"
- "Retroactive TUEs are frequently issued"
- "TUEs are not notified to WADA in many cases"
- "Manipulation of test samples can occur"
- "Constant use by an ADO of a particular laboratory may lead to a level of financial dependence and erosion of independence"
- “Flexibility” in Code allows for political interference (by stakeholders) that may restrict effectiveness of provisions that would otherwise be mandatory.





As for the IV
"“It’s bizarre,” Don Catlin says with regard to the retroactive the****utic use exemption that USADA granted to Mayweather
"I don’t get it,” Conte says. “There are strict criteria for the granting of a TUE. You don’t hand them out like Halloween candy. And this sort of IV use is clearly against the rules."



Finally, if Floyd was so extremely dehydrated, why didn't he go to the hospital? Would that IV that Floyd received really fix a problem where Floyd was extremely dehydrated?








"Deciding how much IV fluid to give:

"If possible, patients with severe dehydration should be weighed so that their fluid requirements can be determined accurately.

The fluid deficit in severe dehydration equals about 10% of body weight (i.e., 100 ml/kg)."



Older children and adults should be given IV fluid at a rate of 30 ml/kg within 30 minutes, followed by 70 ml/kg in the next 2.5 hours, thus providing a total of 100 ml/kg in 3 hours. "



total of 100 ml/kg in 3 hours is about 100*66.4KG = 6640ml IV!!!!


Floyd received 750ml which is nowhere close to 6640ml ..... but the other point is that Floyd's weight lost was not 10% and therefore not severely dehydrated. It would be considered mild dehydration and resolved after drinking at the weigh-in!!!
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The above PLAN was for someone severely dehydrated but the below is what they said about PLAN A:

Plan A
Patients in this category have a fluid deficit equaling less than 5% of their body weight: Drink more fluids than usual.

Note: Some call this mild dehydration while others do not even categorize it as dehydration.


Floyd's weight was relatively the same. negligeable. If you take the 30 day weight as comparison, it's still only about 2%. If you take what he weighed the week before, it's about 1%. WHAT A JOKE!!!!



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[travestyny]

SO TELL ME...WHAT INTERNATIONAL FEDERATION SHOULD MAYWEATHER HAVE APPLIED TO FOR THE TUE

Easy, WBO, WBC, WBA ******

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