Here's Where All The Floyd Cheat Theories Fail

[travestyny]

Are you serious! Spew?

You tried to spew that after the weigh-in, the IV was the DCO's and USADA's call not Floyd and his doctor.
Can you show me the link that proves your nonesense? Next time provide the link and quote!!! Oh wait, you cannot because YOU ARE WRONG!!!

I at least provided a quote that contradicts your nonsense. That was not enough for you? LOL



What I pointed out is that TUE's that are approved by ADO does not need to be reviewed by WADA. It's optional. When not obliged to, WADA can even refuse to review cases where they are even requested to be reviewed!






You then said that Floyd's case was bigger than the Russian scandal. Well, for the Russian scandal there was some investigating, "reporting" and so on. Can you please provide to me the "investigating", "reporting" and WADA TUEC's decision on Floyd? A quote? A link?




Now lets go back to Floyd's BS RETRO TUE:
As I keep on stating, it's OPTIONAL for WADA to even review but lets say they do. What are they looking for? Well, remember that I keep telling you guys that Floyd and his doctor will be showing the TUEC exactly what they want them to see NOTHING MORE!

Will Floyd's doctor be pointing out that:
- Floyd was examined by other physicians (NSAC) just prior to the IV? Nope!
- Vital signs by NSAC physician are available? and ALL NORMAL!!! Nope!
- That Floyd drank adequately prior to getting the BANNED IV? Nope!
- That Floyd made weight EASILY? Nope!
- Floyd's BS excuses didn't make sense since Floyd hadn't given blood in 10 days, giving urine is laughable excuse and Floyd was no longer in heavy training mode? Nope!
- That Floyd weighed in at 148 a week before and weighed 146 just prior to the IV? Nope! Then Floyd drank enough to boost him back up to close to 148? Nope!
- Floyd gave an interview after getting the IV and said, he doesn't dehydrate his body like others and life is good for him right now? Nope!
- Will Floyd include Floyd's pre-fight form? Nope!
- Previous fights with Maidana, video of FLoyd eating a 5 course breakfast? Nope!
- 152 fight with Canelo, Floyd video that he was struggling to keep his weight up? Nope!

So again, what will Floyd's side show? They will look at the criteria in the ISTUE and try their very best to show that Floyd qualified.

So to say, WADA will not be investigating if Floyd and Floyd's doctor can show enough BS in their documentation. The organization that was paid well to thoroughly vet the BS RETRO TUE was USADA. USADA did NOT since they just rubber stamped it .... but on other cases and as admitted by Novitsky, who was questioned on how can an IV case take so long, RETRO TUEs can take weeks if not months to thoroughly vet!


BUT to repeat, for WADA, it's optional to review and they will only be looking at if Floyd's doctor provided enough BS to meet the criteria.


Now here are quotes from a Floyd fan blogger. While he tried to excuse Floyd, he did say this:
"Lockhart also mentions that in his experience 99-100% of MMA fighters use IV rehydration. It is unlikely that all of these fighters would be deemed dehydrated severely enough to warrant an IV infusion, but for many, they feel they need it. Apart from his inability to provide a full urine sample, there is little to suggest Mayweather was severely dehydrated, but it is entirely possible he felt he needed one, which prompted the requested. Of course, this does not justify its use and the grounds on which USADA granted that request is, by far, the most interesting aspect of this version of events."
http://behindthegloves.com/thomas-ha...yd-mayweather/





You said "Floyd or his doctor would have zero control over what WADA sees or doesn't see."
Well actually, as I pointed out, WADA would be looking to see if what Floyd's doctor stated meets the criteria. WADA would be the one who has little control over whether FLoyd's doctor stated the truth or not unless it's so obvious .... but as I said, Floyd's doctor would NOT be shooting themselves in the foot and make it obvious.


USADA: It appears that you are not familiar and do not understand the difference between the Russian scandal and Floyd's scandal.
In Floyd's case, if USADA does the basic steps that is required, what do you think that WADA will do? NOTHING!!! Why? Because they followed the steps required!!! Yes, if Floyd's doctor bungled it and IF WADA reviewed the TUE, then WADA can possibly overturn USADA's decision and deny the granted RETRO TUE but that doesn't mean that WADA would be suspending USADA. Why do you think WADA can be requested to review a TUE? Because they can have a different opinion than USADA (ADO) and this WOULD NOT BE THE FIRST TIME!!!!



Difference: With the Russian scandal, WADA didn't have the information sitting on their lap by looking at the TUEs. WADA got several tips and information that there was a HUGE SCANDAL going on with MANY RUSSIAN athletes and it was NOT a one time thing.
It could involve the WADA certified LABs, Russian ADO, government, athletes, trainers, doctors ...... With Floyd, WADA didn't get that kind of detailed information since nobody stepped up. With the Russian scandal it took many years and key witnesses that came out with the truth before WADA decided to do something about it.

And no it was not the same type of pressure. Floyd's scandal was out of main stream media after a day or so. The Russian scandal was constant pressure from the media, other countries, athletes, other ADOs. Conflicts between OIC and WADA and more .... It was in the news for many months and years.

So we have all these reports, investigations, thorough vetting with the Russian scandal. I can show you all that with links and all but with Floyd, please provide me with all the links that WADA or USADA did investigate. Links, quotes that there was a thorough vetting process that occurred. That there were FINAL reports that were presented to the media.

If there was, USADA and Floyd would be showing that to you and me to state, "See, USADA did a thorough investigation just like it does for other athletes ... but since Floyd's was a scandal, we put extra effort to verify the truth. WADA did one too!" THAT DID NOT HAPPEN!!!!! If I'm wrong, prove it to me!



So I'm waiting for your to provide all those links and quotes on this plus I'm still waiting for the links to taking the IV was the DCO's and USADA's call not Floyd and his doctor.




BTW - No it's not haters but many experts as well who are scratching their heads on Floyd's IV scandal:
Here is what the head of the WADA TUE Committee and physician had to say. Floyd should NOT have received a RETRO TUE. You do not get one as easily as USADA gave them out.

"They gave Floyd a RETRO TUE and only came to light 21 days after the fight. Wow, USADA is doing that because they are getting paid. USADA is supposed to be a body that is supposed to be completely independent. Wow, its a murky world. Yes it is murky and quite frankly sensed disappointment."

"When it comes to RETRO TUEs". Made only when you do not have enough time to apply. Lets say someone gets injured on the field and goes to surgery that night .... and post-op they give him drugs. Its totally acceptable. You get the anesthetists report, the surgeons report then you put all that on the TUE form. Perfectly acceptable. That is what a RETRO TUE is all about. An URGENT .... Someone has an anaphylactic allergic reaction and needs the drugs (URGENTLY). Right, that is not someone who is going to play at tennis open final or race at the Tour de France. No (its not for that). That is when I challenge the system. Its a red flag."

"I TOTALLY AGREE. It doesn't smell right to me. To enable you to compete, you get a RETRO TUE to get an IV? What were they giving him and why couldn't they rehydrate him orally, clinically, that is what we do. You do not need an IV unless you are vomiting and have diarrheas and cannot drink orally and if that all happens then you will not be entering the ring against Manny Pacquiao."




and NO, it is NOT my imagination.
1) None of you have come back with any reasonable explanation that one can weigh relatively the same for 30 days, admit to making weight EASILY for a decade, drinks adequately and using Floyd's BS excuses as to the cause of his "extreme dehydration", as Floyd said.

Using USADA/WADA/NSAC own statements, mathematically and scientifically and according to studies all Floyd had to do was drink a couple of cups of water for each pound lost.
Floyd was not more than mildly dehydrated at the weigh-in and that should have been resolved after drinking in about 45 minutes or so, which we all saw him do!!! If you think otherwise, prove me wrong.





2) WADA admits that there is a problem when they pointed out that there is:
"(The Lack of) Effectiveness of the Testing Portion of Anti-Doping Programs":

"DCOs have been harassed, threatened, confined and subjected to attempts to be bribed in many countries."

"Inherent conflicts of interest within the organizations that mitigate against vigorous anti-doping activities."

"Lack of interest in effectiveness of anti-doping programs – sole concern is showing minimal Code compliance."

"WADA - Weaknesses Observed"
- "Retroactive TUEs are frequently issued"
- "TUEs are not notified to WADA in many cases"
- "Manipulation of test samples can occur"
- "Constant use by an ADO of a particular laboratory may lead to a level of financial dependence and erosion of independence"
- “Flexibility” in Code allows for political interference (by stakeholders) that may restrict effectiveness of provisions that would otherwise be mandatory.





As for the IV
"“It’s bizarre,” Don Catlin says with regard to the retroactive the****utic use exemption that USADA granted to Mayweather
"I don’t get it,” Conte says. “There are strict criteria for the granting of a TUE. You don’t hand them out like Halloween candy. And this sort of IV use is clearly against the rules."



Finally, if Floyd was so extremely dehydrated, why didn't he go to the hospital? Would that IV that Floyd received really fix a problem where Floyd was extremely dehydrated?








"Deciding how much IV fluid to give:

"If possible, patients with severe dehydration should be weighed so that their fluid requirements can be determined accurately.

The fluid deficit in severe dehydration equals about 10% of body weight (i.e., 100 ml/kg)."



Older children and adults should be given IV fluid at a rate of 30 ml/kg within 30 minutes, followed by 70 ml/kg in the next 2.5 hours, thus providing a total of 100 ml/kg in 3 hours. "



total of 100 ml/kg in 3 hours is about 100*66.4KG = 6640ml IV!!!!


Floyd received 750ml which is nowhere close to 6640ml ..... but the other point is that Floyd's weight lost was not 10% and therefore not severely dehydrated. It would be considered mild dehydration and resolved after drinking at the weigh-in!!!
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The above PLAN was for someone severely dehydrated but the below is what they said about PLAN A:

Plan A
Patients in this category have a fluid deficit equaling less than 5% of their body weight: Drink more fluids than usual.

Note: Some call this mild dehydration while others do not even categorize it as dehydration.


Floyd's weight was relatively the same. negligeable. If you take the 30 day weight as comparison, it's still only about 2%. If you take what he weighed the week before, it's about 1%. WHAT A JOKE!!!!



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Nobody has time to read your essays, fool. How about you stop ducking my questions. I've been waiting for days!!! Why you ducking and deflecting???

[ADP02]

Take some time to think about this.

We are talking about the World Anti-Doping Agency.

Ok. think about that for a second.

Then ask yourself: would the World Anti-Doping Agency make their bare minimal compliance level as good as possibly can be to feel secure that there is no form of abuse?


Ok. So by saying that USADA can just do the "minimal," what you mean is that USADA acted in a manner that was completely WADA compliant, right? Think about what that means.

What this means is that WADA expects more but some ADO's do less or in certain cases (for certain athletes) do less and sometimes its due to a conflict of interest.

That is the case here. Floyd pays USADA loads of money $$$$$$ for each fight.




WADA - There is some flexibility but ADO's sometimes take advantage of that!


"WADA - Weaknesses Observed"
"“Flexibility” in Code allows for political interference (by stakeholders) that may restrict
effectiveness of provisions that would otherwise be mandatory."


Even WADA realizes this:
"Retroactive TUEs are frequently issued"


WADA - What about delays in urine samples:
"Some prohibited substances may be detected in the urine or blood for only a short
period; efficient testing cannot be done on the random basis often adopted"

WADA - Knows that this can occur!!!
"Lack of interest in effectiveness of anti-doping programs – sole concern is showing
minimal Code compliance"


WADA knows about this possibility too!!!
"Inherent conflicts of interest within the organizations that mitigate against vigorous
anti-doping activities"

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[koolkc107]

Here ya go C-3PO:



In regards to Mr. Mayweather’s The****utic Use Exemption (TUE):


The article makes several inaccurate statements about Mr. Mayweather’s TUE. Mr. Mayweather applied for and was granted a The****utic Use Exemption (TUE) by USADA for an IV infusion of saline and vitamins that was administered prior to his May 2, 2015, fight against Manny Pacquiao. Under the WADA Code, if an athlete has a need to use a prohibited method or substance, they may apply for and be granted a TUE. Having an approved TUE means that the athlete is not in violation of the anti-doping rules.

Contrary to Mr. Hauser’s inaccurate reports, the USADA DCO was in the home and observed Mr. Mayweather’s condition that precipitated the need for an IV. The DCO was also in the home when the paramedic was called and remained in the home while the paramedic provided the IV. At no point during the infusion did Mr. Mayweather attempt to hide anything regarding the treatment he was receiving.

Mr. Mayweather’s use of the IV was not prohibited under the NSAC rules at that time and would not be a violation of the NSAC rules today. In fact, it is a common practice among athletes licensed to fight in Nevada. As such, it is illogical to suggest that Mr. Mayweather had an obligation to apply to NSAC for a TUE for a procedure that is not prohibited or otherwise monitored by them. Nonetheless, because Mr. Mayweather was voluntarily taking part in a USADA program, and therefore subject to the rules of the World Anti-Doping Code, he took the additional step of applying for a TUE after the IV infusion was administered in order to remain in compliance with the USADA program.

Furthermore, the prompt reporting of the TUE after its approval was in accordance with the terms of the testing agreement that was signed by both athletes. The NSAC was provided with the testing agreement and expressly advised of the procedure USADA would utilize to review, approve and report TUEs via email on April 6, 2015. In accordance with the agreement both Mr. Pacquiao and the NSAC were notified of the IV in May as soon as a TUE was approved.



As Mr. Bennett from the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC) said on September 12th:

“Mr. Mayweather has done nothing wrong. The Nevada State Athletic Commission has no interest in any type of investigation regarding his IV. He did not violate the WADA Prohibited List for any type of drugs that are prohibited on that list, and we have no interest in it whatsoever.”



In regards to Carbon Isotope Ratio (CIR) testing:

Contrary to Mr. Hauser’s unsubstantiated claims that USADA does not utilize CIR testing on the basis that it is “unnecessary and too expensive,” USADA absolutely conducts CIR testing as part of our professional boxing testing programs. For instance, CIR testing was conducted on all 22 urine samples collected from both Mr. Mayweather and Mr. Pacquiao during the testing program in advance of their May 2, 2015 fight.

USADA maintains, however that focusing only on CIR testing is not up to current scientific practices. USADA also utilizes the Athlete Biological Passport (ABP) to longitudinally monitor an athlete’s urine and blood profiles, which allows us to look for any minor or major fluctuations in an athlete’s blood and steroid values, including fluctuations in their T/E ratio. If there were to be any fluctuations, they could lead to additional targeted testing. In addition, USADA’s professional boxing testing programs include testing for EPO, hGH and peptide hormones.

https://www.usada.org/usada-response...oxing-article/

Bottom line?

A licensed paramedic was called to Floyd Mayweather's home.

This person cannot be asked or ordered to give an IV- the paramedic, after doing an examination, must find cause to give an IV.

It has nothing to do with Floyd or his doctor.

The DCO was there, saw the need for an IV and gave the go ahead in respect to whether or not Floyd could have the IV and stay WADA compliant.

He was already compliant with the NSAC, as IV were completely legal.

Still can't figure out what part of all of that you fail to understand, C-3PO.

It doesn't matter what your opinion is or some blogger's opinion is or even Hauser's opinion of how dehydrated Floyd was or wasn't.

The paramedic made that call.

You can't even document that Floyd's doctor was even present during any of this.

My guess is he wasn't.

You do realize that Hauser first reported things inaccurately, don't you?

There was no "medical team" and USADA agents did not surprise Floyd at his house and "discover" him taking an IV.

Spew all the drivel you like.

It aint gonna magically prove Floyd was anything but clean.

[ADP02]

Nobody has time to read your essays, fool. How about you stop ducking my questions. I've been waiting for days!!! Why you ducking and deflecting???

You are saying that because you never were able to answer with an adequate response .....



BTW - I read your DEFLECTO responses. I didn't have the time to respond but all you do is DEFLECT or veer off into a tangent!


I need to check the last few pages. Did you provide a link to Mosley video? I still responded to your post. Not sure how my post is not a response to your post.

I showed to you that there was no way that Floyd was severely dehydrated. Not even moderately dehydrated. If he was mildly dehydrated, he drank plenty and that was resolved about 45 - 60 minutes later.

Dehydration means you lost fluids and if severely dehydrated then that means that Floyd lost a lot of fluids. 10% of his body weight and required more than 750ml to recover from severe dehydration.


So what you got DEFLECTO??????



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[koolkc107]

By the way, my offer still stands.

Write an essay I can send as a press release.

Let's get the media back in on this story if you really think Floyd cheated.

[travestyny]

not sure how my post is not a response to your post.

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wowww. Now you are playing ******??? Lmaoooooooooo. You're a disgrace!

here are the questions. You gave no answers. More deflecting from the deflector. Answer the questions!!! In order. Going down the line!

thank you. Once again, please answer every question clearly. I'll make this short for you. Don't answer any other post here until you answer this one. I see you conveniently didn't answer to my post that talked about all of your deflections. Don't duck this one like a bltch. answer this post first.

1. what logical reason would floyd mayweather have to cycle off of ped's before testing starts, but then cycle back onto ped's throughout training camp when testing is on, as you have suggested? do you realize that you are suggesting that he is perpetually on ped's.

2. option 1:
floyd mayweather and mayweather promotions, and usada and all of the people behind it get together, decide that they will allow mayweather to cheat, and say, "hey, the best way to do this is to get a physician to tell an incredible lie that the 3 independent tuec doctors can't see through (don't worry, it will work...if not, we will pay them off), and then we will get the dco to witness the entire cheating scheme (we'll pay him off too), we'll document everything that happens (don't worry about the paramedic...we'll pay him off), and we'll fill out paperwork to be filed online. We'll send it to wada as well. Hell, we'll tell pacquiao about it according to the rules. We'll tell nsac about it as well. Did i mention we will tell wada about it. This is going to be great! Don't worry about a thing. Oh yea, we'll take some dirty piss before the iv and have that thrown in to be tested. Don't worryyyyyyy. This is great!

option 2:
instead the convo goes, "hey, floyd. We're on the way over. Oh, you need to finish up some (wink wink) things? Ok. See you after the weigh-in bud. Tbe, son!"

what logical reason would mayweather and usada have for choosing option 1 over option 2? does it make sense that any rational human being, much less many intelligent experts in their fields, would choose option 1 over option 2 for any reason??? Please explain.

don't even think about deflecting to lance armstrong who didn't have a tue approved by 4 doctors, but only 1. Was not looked into by wada. Did not have a dco with him. Did not give a sample before the iv. Yea...you see the difference now?


3. any proof of the dco being bad at taking the specific gravity of a urine sample?



That's it. Enjoy

actually, one more:

4:

a. Do you believe this shows a dehydrated mayweather? If yes, you believe this because he was working out at the time of the dco coming, correct?

B. Do you think it's possible that he went on a run or did some other type of work out before the weigh-in? Possibly the night before the weigh in (i think he usually goes running late..around 1am or something) and didn't rehydrate after (why would he rehydrated before a weigh-in)?

C. Do you believe that it's possible that he had become dehydrated in the course of training and because he had to maintain weight, never hydrated back to a normal level?

D. Do you agree that it makes sense that, just as in this example, he gave his partial sample immediately, which means there was no delay on the initial sample.

E. Don't you think the people at wada are smart enough to know whether testing would be compromised when giving a partial sample immediately and then another sample sometime after?

Let's see if you can answer honestly.

[travestyny]

So what you got DEFLECTO??????
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LMAOOOOOO. YOU'RE DUCKING LIKE A BlTCH. I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR A LONG TIME AND YOU WON'T ANSWER MY 4 QUESTIONS. WHAT'S UP, DEFLECTOR? YOU STILL LOOKING FOR YOUR BALLS IN YOUR PURSE?

[ADP02]

By the way, my offer still stands.

Write an essay I can send as a press release.

Let's get the media back in on this story if you really think Floyd cheated.

So you want me to respond in bits and pieces. OK no problem.


Point #1



Are you serious! Spew?

You tried to spew that after the weigh-in, the IV was the DCO's and USADA's call not Floyd and his doctor.
Can you show me the link that proves your nonesense? Next time provide the link and quote!!! Oh wait, you cannot because YOU ARE WRONG!!!

I at least provided a quote that contradicts your nonsense. That was not enough for you? LOL




This must be the 5th time I ask, do you have a link or response or were you just WRONG and that is why you DEFLECTED?



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[ADP02]

wowww. Now you are playing ******??? Lmaoooooooooo. You're a disgrace!

here are the questions. You gave no answers. More deflecting from the deflector. Answer the questions!!! In order. Going down the line!

I believe that I answered partially but didn't have the time to respond fully and also asked you to provide a link for Mosley video so that I can respond knowing what exactly am I responding to .... and as I said, if it's even relevant!!!

[koolkc107]

So you want me to respond in bits and pieces. OK no problem.

Actually, what I really want- and have been asking you for for days now- is for you to write a coherent essay breaking down point by point exactly how and why Floyd cheated, since you are so sure he did.

You write all kinds of drivel here, true.

But, it's fragmented, semi-legible, and disjointed.

Don't you see how easy it is for me to disrupt you when you post like that?


Write something concrete, iron clad.

Write it concisely and without the need for exaggerated font sizes and colors.

Let your words make your point.

We'll send your essay to media outlets and reopen this case.